Yes you both think the players looked confused, but they said it was because we went from attacking down the line to switching, but you disagree and think it’s because we pressed too hard.

I think they looked confused due to so many injuries and lack of support running.

If we’re all confused about the cause then spare a thought for the players.

it has to fall at the feet of coaching?

I'm not sure whether you were watching from the ground or on TV. Their first two goals were straight from center clearances, nothing to do with pressing but more to do with being too attacking around the footy in the contested space.

Agree, but we did press up from the get go and the Hawks found it easy to kick over the press. Same happened from their kick ins...3 goals, in one quarter. Talk about wrong set up.

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No doubt when we had 5 injured on bench during the 2nd quarter we looked condused. Trying to make things work. Didn't look fluid one bit.

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we looked confused from opening bounce tbh ... pushing far up the field with the aggressive press. gov melted down at kemp while martin was getting bandaged and fog was still on the field. so the injuries hadn't even kicked in.

Hansen been there too long. Hamill - meathead. Russell - seriously didnt have a footy brain when playing.

Dont know much about the others to say anything.

We need to change them all including the reserves as that hasnt been doing very well either.

Start again. Voss needs experience around him as well.

yeah mate. pressing is being (too) attacking around the footy and moving upfield and taking up that space.


from opening bounce - ollie & acres, newman and boyd started sprinting up field with kemp not far behind. cowan and weitering were maybe 15-20m away (upfield & away from their direct opponent) ... maybe assuming we'd win the middle? they weren't even waiting to see play develop, they were all off on a mission to high press.

2nd goal, they win the clearance, weitering intercepts and kicks a mongrel pun off the side of his foot straight to a hawks player in the middle of centre square. our defense resets. they kick wide, it pings back out and goes back in again and deer gets the ball onto his boot out the back to a hawks player all by himself, open goal.

again. our defense was already pressing up the ground, assuming we'd win possession, not actually waiting to see. like they're drilled to press forward at all costs.

i don't actually know what they're doing. or why. but they were, all flying past the ball and leaving hawks everywhere unattended.

Our set up from the outset had to be a plan and looked planned to me. Too early in the game to be confused imo.

Aggressive press wasn't confused, it just didnt work.

There may be confusion between Gov and Kemp, and that doesn't surprise me given they are both unaccountable defenders.... let alone ex forwards trying to make a fist of being a backman.

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yeah that's the confusion i was mainly speaking of. the defense. everytime hawks got a F50 mark or a goal, everyone looked around, bewildered expressions and finger pointing.

weitering looked so over it. genuinely pissed off at being surrounded by actual muppets.

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Voss is the senior coach. Why do we continually have to improve the support structures around these guys….at what point do we get a coach that can, you know, coach on their own merits. From day one they said he was poor tactically yet in a game of chess we picked the bloke that’s good at checkers.

Who said he was bad tactically?

All I know is when we are winning he's the Messiah but when we are losing it all points to Vossy.
I have no idea, but I'm hearing you and braithy paint a picture he's no good.

I like his leadership.

Coaching 45 players is a HUGE job. We aren't the only team to have Assistant Coaches. They are part of the parcel.
Imperative, and the more great footy minds working collectively the better.

Look at Clarkson's old Assistants....some have won flags.

Maybe we have the wrong assistants. Maybe we aren't that far off.

I'm hoping we haven't gone as far as we can with this list and coaching group. Our list is relatively young and our window with this list must be still open.

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So maybe the real problem is loosing too many centre square clearances, not pushing up too hard.

Maybe Bondi meant concussed and not confused, they certainly looked concussed

Had everything to do with pressing. Saad and Newman charged in from half back. They had 2 spare inside 50 after 20 seconds of the match. Baffling.

Yeah, it was almost like they expected our strong midfield to win (or at least contain) the centre clearance. Perhaps if we base our game plan on losing every 1:1 up the field we might look better, is that what you mean Braithy?

When he was signed the club acknowledged that he’d need tactical support as he’s more man manager.

I’ve never claimed he was a messiah, quite the opposite.i don’t think he’ll get us a flag.

What have you seen that makes you think he’ll be successful? Maybe I can’t see past mi bias.

for me the way i saw it, confusion was everywhere ... the defenders looked confused when the ball was pinging in 100mph. everyone looking at the other guy as to who's man it was tht just marked or goaled or got loose etc

when we had the ball, we'd look to the corridor first - which strayed away from how we've played all season. (i think we're a better team when we play the corridor, it seems to neutralise the fact we're not a fast team by foot). and the players seem hesitant that they could hit targets. when we play bombing it long and laboured down the wings, player's will get rusty at hitting up targets by foot like you need in corridor play.

bondi was right. the manic press & corridor play was planned from first bounce. the plan was to ambush the hawks at their own game. and i love that aggression and backing ourselves- that was our profile when we won 8 in a row last season - we learned there's not many teams that can go with us when we play like that. but you can't just turn on that level of play in rnd 21 when you've barely touched it all season long.

imo, on sunday the players lacked the confidence and weren't prepared to pay the physical price to produce that level of aggressive press & corridor play.

agree with des ... people at port and lions said voss is a leader and a motivator, not so much a game day tactician, and that voss would need a solid support staff of coaches and at least one veteran in the room.

thing is his attributes as a player aren't conducive to coaching. hard headedness, stubbornness, arrogance etc ... voss was the best sledger in the game. no one even came close to him. there's an air of arrogance and brutality the way he went about it too. coaching is a bit more about being humble and wise and teaching men etc.


truth is - when we win, it has little to do with voss. and same when we lose, he's just the face for it all. i'd actually keep him and get an experienced senior assistant coach to call the shots from the box, and let voss man the sidelines revving players and motivating in the heat of battle etc...