not to mention we brought in pittonett into a midfield that was absolutely humming. and at the cost of a running player.

You are constantly claiming that this is what Cripps wants, but in reality it's just something Voss said. There's a difference, why is it so difficult for you to admit that?

voss said, he had to include pittonet into the team bcos he was sick of cripps knocking on his door every morning telling him to.

that's what voss said to the cameras. pittonet came into the team on cripps insistence. doc was asked about that on one of the footy shows in an interview, and doc said it's no secret cripps loves it when pittonet is up and about giving him silver service.


all facts mate. no speculation.

i thought i was a tough critic

So you suggesting we give them baby formula

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Someone said something about what someone said about someone else.

That’s speculation. There’s even a legal term for it “hearsay”, look it up.

Tongue in cheek. Half of that comment was directed to supporters and SEN commentators who didnt like the 2 rucks.

The stats at the time showed we lost our One wood at the stoppages. It was commonly thought Pitto helped in that area, whereas TDK helped turnover game.

Voss was a huge Pitto fan, let alone fan of the 2 rucks.

Voss makes his own bed.

Problem is Pitto isn't up and about, and he's a perennially injured player. In and out of side. Doesn't look fit imo.

How good has Meek become?

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Thanks mate, it’s good to see someone else gets it.

Yeah, it’s hard to reconcile the Pittonet we’ve seen the last few weeks with the guy who was ripping it out of the ruck and making his own clearances earlier in the season.

holy jesus christ wearing platform heels and riding a bicycle. it's not hearsay, when two people within the club say the same thing.

"crippa has been pushing hard for pittonet to play"

doc wasn't tongue in cheek and went into a bit of depth ... and you talk about speculation? saying voss meant it tongue in cheek is exactly that.

Well..........if you read what's in baby formula it's probably not such a stupid idea.........and it is mainly milk powder and calfs drink milk.....so there is that.
Strong like bull (said in Spanish accent).

i tell you ... so many rucks are tearing it up right now. i'm not sure pittonet starts for a single afl club.

100% agree............good mids can cover other positions........instead we bring in other players to help cover our midfield and wings at the cost of their own positions.
Robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Also giving ourselves little to no options to vary the game plan (especially on game day) as we only have a 1 wood in the bag.
The most confusing part to me is Voss is a midfielder and you'd have thought he'd have prioritised depth in that area, something I'd hoped he'd do, just like Sam Mitchell has done.

Agree totally with your Gov comments

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Yeah I’m flat still….

watched some stand up but it didn’t help…!


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had some good pooch cuddles last night though…!

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I agree.

I wanted Meek or Reeves, and still do.

Pitto on one leg is useless to our cause. Same could be said about any prennially injured players.

WE need to find a Fwd Ruck to keep TDK as the No 1 ruck

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True about Doc, but the way you're pitching this is suggesting that Pitto was picked because of Cripps and no other reason.

Crippa may have a preference, but the MC select the team.

Voss smiled when he said it at the Presser to those present. The smile does create conjecture. Take it as you wish.

You don't think Vossy had a liking for 2 rucks when he selected Pitto?

The whole footy world knew there was a good argument for and against the 2 rucks. SEN ran with the one ruck, based on our win loss record.

I don't care much for Pitto to stick up for him, but lets not make out Vossy is a push over.

Like the 2 rucks, there conjecture about Voss being the right man to coach. I know you wish he was gone. That's OK. You have your reason.

Like all speculation, there's 2 sides of the story. In a forum, its all opinion, and nothing is dogma. Inference is not dogma.

Believe what you want to believe. I believe we are in trouble because of the perennially injured on our list, and the 2 rucks only works well if we have a Fwd-Ruck and a No 1 ruck.

Right now, Pitto is our only choice. I don't think Mirkov could hold his ground against the big boys...not that Pitto has been thrilling us in that area, but.....come on, lets just WIN.

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not at all little buddy... what i'm suggesting is; as good as our captain is .... the rot set in this season when he started to give the impression of chasing individual glory (brownlow votes and the brutal stoppage & clearance) over team success. asking for pittonet to be included into the team was a profound and catastrophic error.


we were humming along and in key statistical components we were the number rated team in the comp. you never, ever change that. everyone involved in putting pittonet into a team that was 9-1 with tdk as sole ruck/ and an extra runner needs to be examined.

Voss gave the reasons at a later date that suggested he didn't actually want pittonet in the team, but there were questions about tdk's fitness and running out a game.

my response at the time was you don't select tdk until he's 100% then; and we run with pittonet solo. but to change the fabric of the team and go too tall in the forwardline with tdk getting only 20% ruck time which was totally 100% ineffective. again, hindsight is 20/20 ... but these were profound errors that ultimately cost us the season.

forget about winning in 2024 mate, she's over. we're not going to with this injury list. i suspect something internal is wrong at the club too ... we've been a shell of the team we were at 9-1. players have stopped playing for one another, and that was our 2023 trademark.

I think our problem is 90% psychological.
1) Intensity - we took our foot off the gas just before quarter time against GWS and haven’t been able to flick the switch back on since then
2) Teamwork - we have stopped sharing the ball effectively and stopped running hard to provide options
3) Like the Aussie team after Hayden and Langer left, we just think we can continue to bludgeon our way through and bomb it to ‘the big boppas’ - we can’t, need to work hard, provide options, draw players out of the kill zone in front of goal (see 1 & 2 above). And it’s kind of lazy.
4) The coaches appear to have been spooked by Champion Data - it is fine to try improve our turnover game but no at the cost of it overall performance


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