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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 10:56 pm 
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Get Elijah and Williams more through the midfield. That will sharpen us up.


Elijah spent a few weeks as a starting midfielder. His defensive skills weren't up to it.


I thought he was very good.


…at being unaccountable


Well we do have a few of those all over the ground…….


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 11:04 pm 
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I look at the Hawthorn side on paper and think that we should win this game.
They have obviously been playing with a lot of confidence however I'm not sure that they have the match winners to trouble us if we are switched on.
Do they have a suitable matchup for Harry or Charlie? Sicily is only 188cm whilst Scrimshaw and Frost are battlers.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:01 am 
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To me, conversion is also impacted by fluidity up the field


True but not when you're missing multiple set shots from inside 40m, directly in front.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:16 am 
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but none of that fixes the biggest problem we have. F50 entry. 2 of the worst 5 mids in the game at delivering F50 efficiency are on the blues. kennedy and i forget the other. maybe it was walsh?

elijah, orazio and newman need to get forward. they're maybe our best at delivering it?


Yep. Walsh is in the lowest 5 ranked inside 50 kicks. Our midfield needs something different. Hewitt is a goer but he disposal is third rate.
I'm not sure if Lord deserves a go. I haven't watched a lot of him but we need a point of difference in the middle. Can Lord kick the ball more than 50m because apart from Kennedy, our mids lack penetration and class. That's why I'm keen to see Saad or similar get a run in the middle. Look at the difference fast feet like Papley, Brent Daniels etc make when they're around the ball. Our mids exit stoppage sideways because they don't have the pace to straighten up like opposition mids do against us.

Use something that's not working to try change. Saad isn't at his best at the moment in defence. Throw something different at the opposition. Get some offensive/defensive dynamic movement around the ball.


How about Cowan through the middle at the centre bounce?Tough as nails, penetrating kick. and he sticks his tackles.There was a passage of play last year where he did a 360 degree turn in incoming traffic and it stuck with me. I think in short bursts I would rather him in there. Not as creative but with the 6/6/6 rule he doesn't need to be at the centre bounces. See ball, get ball, kick ball. Give our talls a chance one out.
At a bare minimum he will give Cripps a chop out.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2024 9:06 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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To me, conversion is also impacted by fluidity up the field


True but not when you're missing multiple set shots from inside 40m, directly in front.


Will accept that BV but it's all the other opportunities that go begging before it even becomes a set shot that infuriates me

Last week was particularly poor with conversion but it masks the number of times we just flowered up mid fwd transiton, defending kickouts, pressurising at the fall of the ball etc etc

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2024 9:33 am 
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Cowan not a bad shout for midfield minutes.

I'd also consider putting Cincotta back in there and parking the tag for a while. It was great when he started in the role but I am starting to question its efficacy. Tactics move fast in the AFL (at least at other clubs).

Cincotta has the attributes we need in midfield: quick, defensively accountable, two-sided, decent kicking length, strong on both ends of the tackle. Other options like Kennedy, Binns, Olli and Saad are deficient in one or more of those areas.

Can't think of any obvious tag needs against z Hawthorn so let's do it.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2024 10:17 am 
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but none of that fixes the biggest problem we have. F50 entry. 2 of the worst 5 mids in the game at delivering F50 efficiency are on the blues. kennedy and i forget the other. maybe it was walsh?

elijah, orazio and newman need to get forward. they're maybe our best at delivering it?


Yep. Walsh is in the lowest 5 ranked inside 50 kicks. Our midfield needs something different. Hewitt is a goer but he disposal is third rate.
I'm not sure if Lord deserves a go. I haven't watched a lot of him but we need a point of difference in the middle. Can Lord kick the ball more than 50m because apart from Kennedy, our mids lack penetration and class. That's why I'm keen to see Saad or similar get a run in the middle. Look at the difference fast feet like Papley, Brent Daniels etc make when they're around the ball. Our mids exit stoppage sideways because they don't have the pace to straighten up like opposition mids do against us.

Use something that's not working to try change. Saad isn't at his best at the moment in defence. Throw something different at the opposition. Get some offensive/defensive dynamic movement around the ball.


How about Cowan through the middle at the centre bounce?Tough as nails, penetrating kick. and he sticks his tackles.There was a passage of play last year where he did a 360 degree turn in incoming traffic and it stuck with me. I think in short bursts I would rather him in there. Not as creative but with the 6/6/6 rule he doesn't need to be at the centre bounces. See ball, get ball, kick ball. Give our talls a chance one out.
At a bare minimum he will give Cripps a chop out.


There's one from left field.

I can see it working.
Similarly to Williams thrown from HB into the midfield for GWS vs Pies in a Final and presto,

Chinka in the midfield is another good option with his strength and speed.
He can take Newcombe but hurt him going the other way.

We have options. Vossy has those moves to make. He has had reasons to that we see, but reasons not to we dont know.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2024 10:20 am 
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Sounds like Curnow will be available.
How fit his ankle is will influence his movement.

I'm sick of Curnow being a statue in the goal square.
Its time to shake that body and get more involved.

Harry and Charlie should be mixing it up more upfield, even waxing, and keeping the forward line open for Williams and Martin types with pace.

So important to have a 3rd marking forward in Martin.

Come on Vossy, lets make it work.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2024 10:23 am 
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As pointed out in my team selection, the more I watch our Pies game (last night), and Young's performance in the VFL, the more I am convinced Young can be so important to us for remainder of this year.

We need a very tall lockdown defender to release Weitering from that role.

Someone just has to get into Young's head to be aggressive at the man and ball, and go for his marks.
I'm sure Vossy could do it. We need some height in the backline, badly. ie 2 KPDs

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2024 10:26 am 
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Interesting game this week.
Last week was a given result IMO, close but no cigar....again.
New week same problems......I've been saying it for over 2 years now and I know everyone is sick of it.
Our midfield is too slow and lack the skills/smarts to hit targets, especially inside F50.
And IMO the midfields poor defensive side is largely due to being unable to actually catch players, they're always a step behind.
The depth of our midfield is a concern also, they got annihilated by Robertson and Lyons (13 clearances each) in the VFL.

Personally, I think a lot of our issues start at drafting/trading, Voss and Austin have clearly rolled the dice and gone down the path of endurance over all, which is understandable given the cap on rotations. But most teams have a better balance of endurance v speed and as it is becoming obvious a lot of the quicker teams have built the endurance of their quicker players, hence negating the need for more endurance athletes and sharing the work load instead.
i.e. We had 4 of the top 5 distance covered by players last week, but we still lost and it's not the first time we top this metric and lose.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2024 10:57 am 
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For the first time in many weeks I like the betting odds on offer for this match.
Providing there aren't any nasty surprises in tonight's injury report I'm confident we'll get the job done.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2024 11:01 am 
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agree sid.

too many one-speed, big endurance bodies in the middle. and now the afl are insisting on the new htb rules, having big strong bodies isn't what it once was.


as a team all over the ground, except maybe charlie & saad (when he's on), we have no x-factor. none in the middle, none up front. we're vanilla.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2024 11:14 am 
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Braithy wrote:
agree sid.

too many one-speed, big endurance bodies in the middle. and now the afl are insisting on the new htb rules, having big strong bodies isn't what it once was.


as a team all over the ground, except maybe charlie & saad (when he's on), we have no x-factor. none in the middle, none up front. we're vanilla.

Unfortunately the only X-factor we have is either always injured or is occasionally detectable for a few certain players, but yes the rest are pretty vanilla.
Our midfield is as shallow as a kids wading pool and we are up against a team who is building with a midfield first philosophy.
It'll be an interesting game, I am concerned to say the least.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2024 11:14 am 
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Braithy wrote:
agree sid.



as a team all over the ground, except maybe charlie & saad (when he's on), we have no x-factor. none in the middle, none up front. we're vanilla.

Jack Martin and Zac Williams both have x-factor when fit and firing.
Hopefully Zac returns this week.
The injury to DeKoning really hurts as he added x-factor around the contest.
It's worth remembering that we aren't the only side in the top 8 with weaknesses.
Swans lack a dangerous key forward.
Port have 4 gun mids and a few handy players but not much else.
Freo have a slow midfield and nothing special up forward.
Geelong lack quality and speed in the midfield.
I suppose the Lions and Dogs look the best sides at the moment whilst GWS could be dangerous once they regain Kelly and Coniglio.

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"Play the kids"

Too early for this as we are still a decent chance of making the top 4.
Besides it sounds like Wilson is the only 'kid' worth getting excited about.

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Let's hope the coaches are working on technique this week with our defenders because the divers and duckers are coming up.
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Hewett seems vulnerable to a good ducking cheat. Go for the hips, George.


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Just hit their bodies hard from the start and they will reconsider getting their heads in the way.
Can't kick goals when you're out cold.


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Williams available subject to test this week

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