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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:35 pm 
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Maybe the reason to be hopeful is that most of our losses were to teams we played into form, while the Hawks are looking like premiers in waiting. Back to the tough schedule we (sort of) thrived on.


True. When we play well like the last quarter yesterday we have the fast rebounds coverered too. I am expecting more 4th qtr yesterday action next week.


For 4 quarters, or learn to kill off a quarter if our boys bodies are not up for 4.

Every team we've played have played their best line up, for bottom teams, or played the opp when they're in form....or we played them into form :sly:


Talking from an energy point of view. We will run out the game better next week again. I sensed the Hawks energy was/is on a downward trend after a big month. I am positive ours is on the up. We should beat them and win the next 3.

My working theory is we are at the Carlton v Port (AO game) level of energy this week coming off a big last quarter against the pies (GC game).
I see us doing more of that last quarter stuff from last night for longer against the Hawks.


I know you’re big on the training loads and energy levels club29. Genuinely interested in what you base this on?


Even if you take training loads out of it , teams have been having good runs then bad runs all season. All bar the Swans early in the season and Bears now no teams winning streaks go longer than 6 games and they usually end with a run of losses. During the bad runs they all look the same. Tired and shells of their former selves. Then mostly they come good again and look fantastic. So you watch the Blues and look for trends. Our last couple of slumps. How do we look coming out of it. How do other teams look when their winning streaks starts looking like the end to it is coming. I am using all that to make the call that we looked to be moving better. Stumbled onto some good method late while overruning the opposition. Cant say it more than an educated guess or a funny feeling. But I am confident we will finish the season strongly and go into the finals with good momentum. Injuries aside. If it turns out Curnow had cooked his ankle and Gov is out with concussion and Martin has done his calf again then we are stuffed.

Maybe Im crazy.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2024 9:56 pm 
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Hawks will start heading in the wrong direction today and we will continue where we left off in the last quarter last week.

Blues by 32pts as we march towards 15wins.


Yeah , I reckon the Giants will kick there arse today . We aint the only side going bad . At least we are competitive . We will turn thins around .


Well , the Giants didn't kick the Hawks arse . May as well have coz the arse just fell out of the Hawks world today . They will be deflated as all shit . If I was Voss I would be putting it on Harry and Charlie big time .

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2024 10:08 pm 
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I'd be playing Harry at CHB. Permanently. Partner for Weitering solved. Martin and Curnow in attack.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 12:22 am 
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Besides the bulldogs, you would have to say the Hawks are the red hot form team right now.

Not confident whatsoever....

Does one day extra break over them help us?

Who knows.

I just am so deflated with this club (for the millionth time or more), I just don't know. Have been a supporter since 1978 when I was just 7 years old. Like many here, am finding the challenge of constantly being disappointed with our team through the many false dawns etc that has come to pass since then.


so at least Hawks are a team we can’t play into form like GWS, Bulldogs, Coolingwad, North, Port. very much scared to hope for anything in this one.

ok at least we haven’t been blown away this season, but neither have any of the top 12 or so teams this season. it’s very even, probably the umpiring lottery which penalises contested footy champions like we used to be, has something to do with it. a team is never out of it if they manage to win 50-80% of the free lottery at the right times in a game.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 12:33 am 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
I'd be playing Harry at CHB. Permanently. Partner for Weitering solved. Martin and Curnow in attack.





I agree Doc….

I said the other day we should at least look at
it…he roamed around there on Saturday night….!


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 7:58 am 
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Lose this and Essendon** knock us out of the 8 :lol:
Dear GCS, I know I've called you a waste of space several times and you can't win away from Qld or NT.... But I'll buy a membership if you beat Essendon* this weekend.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 8:03 am 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
I'd be playing Harry at CHB. Permanently. Partner for Weitering solved. Martin and Curnow in attack.



i've been saying this ever since the cats game where hawkins was taking weiters on a tour of the boundary line away from play, and we didn't have anyone to take cameron, and intercept thru the middle.


after watching lobb, i'm now convinced harry would be an excellent chb.

it also solves having one of martin, williams or sos up forward with a resting tdk to partner charlie.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 8:56 am 
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The reason we won't play Harry at CHB, especially without TDK, is that it takes away another attacking down the line option.

Our down the line kicks would need Pitto to learn how to mark or Charlie to push right up.

I mean sure, if we get better at not needing down the line kicks I'm all for it...

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 9:04 am 
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with martin or williams, we can push charlie up the ground and have wheel and kick those 60m spears into one of them. i'd back either to win a 1-on-1 with their man in the front 25m


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 9:25 am 
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I think this entire season's been too weird to go making big calls like that just yet.


I genuinely think a team could win the flag from 8th this year.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 9:28 am 
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Wojee wrote:
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I think this entire season's been too weird to go making big calls like that just yet.


I genuinely think a team could win the flag from 8th this year.



haha. i just said the opposite in another thread.


a top 4 of interstate teams adds a layer of difficulty not many teams are up for (maybe dogs) in getting to a gf, imo.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 9:44 am 
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with martin or williams, we can push charlie up the ground and have wheel and kick those 60m spears into one of them. i'd back either to win a 1-on-1 with their man in the front 25m

That would require us to stop bombing inside f50... something we've done since Malthouse

Having 2 of the worst 5 delivery to f50 mids doesn't help...

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 9:53 am 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
I'd be playing Harry at CHB. Permanently. Partner for Weitering solved. Martin and Curnow in attack.


Slight variation Doc...and just because I'm a believer in changing things up and being unpredictable

Different rotations of the following:
Play Harry at CHB as you suggested with Curnow and Martin up fwd...possibly Kemp in F50 as well
Play Curnow at CHB with Kemp spending some minutes at FF. Is a good mark which is a starting point
Play Curnow on a wing and Walsh (or even Acres) playing the HF role to support Martin and Harry
Rotate Boyd, Kennedy and E Hollands from mid to HB to HF

All these scenarios should be well planned, understood and practiced with the SINGLE intention of getting the opposition coaches box to actually do some **** thinking rather than relax because our gamestyle, strategies and personnel are just a fixed template

By the way, I'm sure this is discussed but FFS, can they practice practice practice Curnow and Harry ALWAYS playing about 30m away from each other. Assign which small fwds are at the feet of which player. If this is being spoken about and practiced, it's not being executed well AT ALL!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 10:02 am 
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bluehammer wrote:
The reason we won't play Harry at CHB, especially without TDK, is that it takes away another attacking down the line option.

Our down the line kicks would need Pitto to learn how to mark or Charlie to push right up.

I mean sure, if we get better at not needing down the line kicks I'm all for it...


Understand your sentiment bh and it's made me think lately

Would I prefer 2 gun KPFs and 1 gun KPD OR 1 gun KPF and 2 gun KPD??

Of course we would like both, but my view is that if you go in with a shorter forward line, the coaches can create a game style that may counteract this deficiency (see Richmond and even Coll)

On the other hand, it's very hard to counteract if you have an undersize defence bc you're at the mercy of the other team's I50 delivery

We know that if the mids get first use and put pressure on the ball carrier, you can disrupt the impact of the oppo's tall fwds

I would love to see Charlie and Harry develop a more "utility" mindset. it's already happening now but would love if it was more a part of our structure than a novelty to slow down tempo and save the game

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 10:27 am 
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right now, we need to start defending better and moving the ball out of our D50. Harry would help with that to no end.

a swarming forward line led by charlie and martin would be electric with fast delivery. the tall, stagnet forwardine we currently run with is heavily dependent on smalls that can crumb, and snap from impossible angles - ie X factor. of which, we have none.

it's crazy the coaches haven't tried this. week 20 close to a 5 game lose streak, and we're still toiling away trying to jam a round peg into a square hole.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 10:30 am 
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Braithy wrote:
right now, we need to start defending better and moving the ball out of our D50. Harry would help with that to no end.

a swarming forward line led by charlie and martin would be electric with fast delivery. the tall, stagnet forwardine we currently run with is heavily dependent on smalls that can crumb, and snap from impossible angles - ie X factor. of which, we have none.

it's crazy the coaches haven't tried this. week 20 close to a 5 game win streak, and we're still toiling away trying to jam a round peg into a square hole.


That's the definition of stubborness and arrogance

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 10:35 am 
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exactly ... i can handle losing (not really haha) if we're playing with some fire and dare.

what i hate is stubbornness and arrogance. and lately the coaching has reeked of it


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Injury report going to be interesting tomorrow with at least Cerra and Cottrell on it

And the late non-selection of whoever gets injured mid-week.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 12:22 pm 
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I recall someone phoning the radio & making a good point about Harry & Charlie.

As individuals, they are an 8/10 player, maybe 9.

But as a pairing, they're a 6 or 7

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 1:03 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
I recall someone phoning the radio & making a good point about Harry & Charlie.

As individuals, they are an 8/10 player, maybe 9.

But as a pairing, they're a 6 or 7



100%

they're often in each other's way. tbh, charlie is the only one up front with any forward craft. when martin plays, he's the other.


harry would make a good CHB. soft as butter like his brother, but still ... he's a proper athlete, A+ hands, proper height and has a peach of a left foot when field kicking.


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