I'm hearing ya.

He’s way better than Ginivan who is definitely now on his very very last chance.

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Winston Churchill

I rate Schulz but it does seem like they're giving slightly overs for him. I guess they're banking on their first rounder being in the high teens (I hope it turns out to be 1 )

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Seems like a few are having their reputation exceeded by reality. If crows really knocked back a future 2nd rounder for Shane McAdam then they are crazy. Anyone who says they're not, I'm going to start calling them Keogh.

Not to mention cats knocking back a pick in mid 20s for Esava. We all know what dodoro is like so not going to bring up what he is expecting for their players.

Now people are starting to see why I get upset with our trading........asking price for both is insane. They will also get something close. GO figure.

I think it's a Good deal for both parties, considering where Collingwood is at in their premiership window.

Freo seem to be bottoming out right now, lost a lot of young and middle age players.

A kid at pick 34 is likely not much different to a kid a 60 to them at this stage, but their best 22 just got even better. pls it's suscession planning on Elliot.

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Pick 34 and a future first rounder are valuable when 9 of your Grand Final team are 30 or older. Schulz turns 26 next month so it's not great succession planning and when you look at his career, he has an average of 1.1 goals per game. The same as a 19 year old Jesse Motlop. He also averages 1.2 inside tackles per game compared to Jesse's 1.4. So although he had a decent season, players reputations seem to inflate the minute Collingwood express interest.
I just don't see him as having sufficient tricks to be worth what could possibly be a top 10 pick next year plus a second rounder.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

I hope it is pick #10.

He’s lost his spark for sure.

If the filth are going to get him back on track, it’ll take a complete mental rebuild. Tricky business though. I’ve met a few Ginnivans over the journey, including Jack, and they’re all a bit… touched. It’s pretty much their brand.

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I still think it make sense in the context of going all in for another flag or Two.

is it overs for a contracted 25 year old who has had gotten better year on year, probably - but that's what it takes to prise required players from other clubs I guess.

It might bite them on the arse majorly if they have a down year next season , but you gotta risk it for the biscuit

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Reckon Schultz will be transformed playing in a structure such as the Pies , the hug crowds and dynamics of Hill and Elliot and so much experience players about will bring out the best in him.
I’m Expecting Pies to be top 4 if not top two in 2024.
Hopefully Blues will be right up there too.
He’ll certainly give them a look at another Cup.

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Go Blue Boys

Yup….

i give you…Frampton…Markov…Mihocek…Cox…GINNVN’…!

those guys won a flag…!


kindest regards tommi

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that'siti'mnotchangingthistagain......!

Actually their systems and coaches did. I really rate Leppa.

That’s it Surrey….

put a…”team” together…it’s what’s happens….!

Flagarama….!


kindest regards tommi





i first typed….Fagarama…!

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The year on year improvement is key. Collingwood aren’t paying for his career stats, they’re paying for the 2023 version, where he had career highs in just about every key statistical category.
If that player fills the needs and enables Collingwood to compete for the coming few years, I don’t mind it. Premierships are hard to win. If you’re close, I think you pay overs and figure out how to regenerate in a few years.

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i don't like how teams around as are adding and getting better, and we're standing pat. the belief that internal development will improve us, is kinda complacent.

we're a big, slow team. that's our achilles. woulda been nice to cut some off the top and replace with some pace and polish. sigh

I agree Braithy. We are in a position to add pieces were we lack now. We cant sit back and expect current group to get there. Even the premier added another small forward and they have plenty.

In my opinion we are lacking another strong goal kicking mid. A medium talented forward. And a good ruckman. Question marks over Pittonet, Hewitt, Owies, Kennedy as best 22. Bit players Fogarty, cunningham, Marchbank, Cottrell. We need to start upgrading on these types of players.

Collingwood, St Kilda, Brisbane are adding key pieces. Essendon* while overpaying will be better too.

We dont need to add stars, just players that give us something we dont have or are upgrades.

I hope we have a roll for Hollands if we do get him and dont just get him for depth.

We will see.

Not having a go at either of you, just asking the question. Who would you be chasing and what would you prepared to give up? Would you be happy to pay $700k for Gresham on a multi year deal? Would you be happy to give up a 1st and 2nd rounder for Schultz? Which mids that are potentially "gettable" would you be chasing that would add to our side and what would you prepared to give up for them?
Don't get me wrong, I don't totally disagree with you and I am concerned that we are trading away our depth. However, of those on the trade table, very few if any would either add to our side, or alternatively, the cost of getting them would be too high.
Billings may be worth a look given his ability. Reading this morning that Shiel is still gettable. May add to our midfield, but 30 years old, dodgy knee and dealing with dodo are all negatives.
Anyone else we should be targeting who is realistic?

Brisbane have signed Doedee whose played 80 games in 8 seasons for 4 years at $650k a year. People would lose there shit on here if we did that.
St Kilda have lost Gresham added Henry and a draft pick which won’t make a significant difference next year.
In last years trade period GWS lost Bruhn, Hill, Hopper and Taranto, gained just Bedford, yet went from 16th to 3rd.
The flag won’t be won or lost in trade week.
David King believes Hollands will be the steal of trade week if we can get him for what is rumoured.
Cal Twomey pre 2020 draft was speculating that it was down to McDonald, Thilthorpe and Hollands as who could go number 1.

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Hey Rhino. I would have concentrated on getting up the draft order not pushing picks lower. I would have used the first this year and next to turn them into higher picks this year and more seconds/thirds next year. Gold coast and Melbourne managed this very well. They targeted Gold Coasts 4th - i wish we had done that ourselves. And Gold coasts early teen picks too knowing they want heaps of points for this year and the next.

I would not have downgraded our first to north and just insisted on the second round - after all Fisher was contracted.

I would insist on a 3rd for Dow - We will see how that turns out.

I would have been in the hunt for Schultz and Henry. Small forward and another runner.

I would put Pittonet out there for trade and targeted a cheaper option as a back up to TDK. Pittonet is not going to take us to the next step and someone out there may love him. Personally i would have dangled Marchbank and Martin too to see who bit. At the right price and all that.

Collingwood were ruthless a few years ago and now as well and they won a flag.

I dont know, and we may be doing this not sure. But i would have been targetting a medium forward very strongly as i feel that will take us to the next step. Im hoping Hollands will be that running midfielder we need.