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 Post subject: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 9:32 am 
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Hang on a second, did Aints get a first-round pick as compensation for Jade @#$%&! Gresham?


Yes.
Essendon**** paying $700,000 per year triggered Band 2 compensation.


I wonder how soon before the scum “re negotiate” this contract to significantly less?
The Saints get the compo, not Essendon**.

Essendon** wouldn't do the Saints a favour and pay him more to get them compo.

Or am I missing something here?


By offering an unrealistically high salary and generating a high compensation pick saints are guaranteed not to match the scums offer. So scum get Gresham for “free”.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:03 am 
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sinbagger wrote:
BamBam7 wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Blueboy74 wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
Hang on a second, did Aints get a first-round pick as compensation for Jade @#$%&! Gresham?


Yes.
Essendon***** paying $700,000 per year triggered Band 2 compensation.


I wonder how soon before the scum “re negotiate” this contract to significantly less?
The Saints get the compo, not Essendon***.

Essendon*** wouldn't do the Saints a favour and pay him more to get them compo.

Or am I missing something here?


By offering an unrealistically high salary and generating a high compensation pick saints are guaranteed not to match the scums offer. So scum get Gresham for “free”.
Yeah, I guess. You'd hope it's only a 1 year contract though, because if I were Gresham, I wouldn't be renegotiating.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Personally I wish him the best and I think he has some good attributes but there are certain parts of his game I can’t overlook and in finals I suspect would have been exposed.


You suspect, but you don't know.

We do know our midfield of Cripps et al. were badly exposed during the finals with a lack of pace. Yet we're going into next year with much the same plan and now no depth.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:08 pm 
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CarltonClem wrote:
Personally I wish him the best and I think he has some good attributes but there are certain parts of his game I can’t overlook and in finals I suspect would have been exposed.


You suspect, but you don't know.

We do know our midfield of Cripps et al. were badly exposed during the finals with a lack of pace. Yet we're going into next year with much the same plan and now no depth.

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Yes no one knows.

The lack of pace and power does worry me but I suspect they’ll want Elijah Hollands for that.

The issue with Dow is that he is suspect defensively if he doesn’t win the clearance.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:34 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
Blueboy74 wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
Hang on a second, did Aints get a first-round pick as compensation for Jade @#$%&! Gresham?


Yes.
Essendon*** paying $700,000 per year triggered Band 2 compensation.


I wonder how soon before the scum “re negotiate” this contract to significantly less?

Even if they do they have to include the original contract in their salary cap.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:30 pm 
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malbi wrote:
CarltonClem wrote:
Personally I wish him the best and I think he has some good attributes but there are certain parts of his game I can’t overlook and in finals I suspect would have been exposed.


You suspect, but you don't know.

We do know our midfield of Cripps et al. were badly exposed during the finals with a lack of pace. Yet we're going into next year with much the same plan and now no depth.


Only 30 points of the 176 scored in the grand final came from centre clearances. Turnovers and stoppages were easily the main scoring sources.
What we do know is Dow's stoppage stats fall away significantly when it's not in the centre bounce and he turns it over every 4.7 disposals. Far worse than Cerra, Kennedy and Hewett who he's fighting with for a spot and his disposal efficiency is easily the worst. And that's without finals pressure! So we know he'd be exposed in finals because he's exposed in home and away footy.
Good luck to Paddy. It's sad to see him move on but we need to refresh with new faces and give them opportunities.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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What are the chances of us getting better players than Dow and/or Fisher with picks 22 and 26? Highly doubtful I reckon. Picks for the sake of picks.
We really need to move up the order.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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What are the chances of us getting better players than Dow and/or Fisher with picks 22 and 26? Highly doubtful I reckon. Picks for the sake of picks.
We really need to move up the order.


Later picks than those last year. Lachie Cowan, Jaxon Binns, Harry Lemmey.
The year before, Jesse Motlop.
Not worth it? You'd rather keep players who have had 6 years+ in the system and are still playing VFL?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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SOS burnt so many first round picks they didn't even mention Sam Philp. Another first round pick delisted. Oh well, I suppose you can only fit so many into the article.

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 Post subject: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:18 am 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
What are the chances of us getting better players than Dow and/or Fisher with picks 22 and 26? Highly doubtful I reckon. Picks for the sake of picks.
We really need to move up the order.


What are the chances of holding into Dow and/or Fisher and them becoming vastly better players? Pretty slim chances I’d say.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:57 am 
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Our club culture and player development was poor and most likely well behind the rest of the AFL if we are being honest and having a revolving door of coaches didn't help either.
Cook arrived in 2021 and all of a sudden our players including our latter picks are looking better, for me I think this has got a lot more to do with it given these players (except Philp) were ranked in the first round also from outside the club.
We picked those players either spot on or pretty close to where they ranked in the draft by the rest of the industry and media experts like Cal Twomey etc.
E.g.

2016
Sam Petrevski-Seaton - #6, pre-draft ranking #6
https://www.afl.com.au/news/109684/callum-twomeys-phantom-form-guide-november-edition

2017
Paddy Dow - #3, pre-draft ranking #3
Lochie O'Brien - #10, pre-draft ranking #15
https://www.afl.com.au/news/141286/cal-twomeys-phantom-form-guide-november-edition

2018
Liam Stocker - #19, pre-draft ranking #19
https://www.afl.com.au/news/138983/cal-twomeys-phantom-form-guide-november-update

2019
Probably the oddest pick was this one.
Sam Philp - #20, pre-draft ranking #Not even in the top 30.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/149391/cal-twomeys-2019-phantom-form-guide-november-update


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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SOS can pick a quality tall , understanding the dynamics well thence we have at least 3 exceptional 195 Cm + footballers with Tom well on the way thats 4 which is a great outcome for the club , we all applaud him.
However he’s been woefully inept when it comes to selecting creative , productive and dynamic smaller footballers with good ball distribution, penetrating,
& to advantage .
Silvagni burnt many top 20 picks, we should have moved on him much earlier.
Hopefully we’ve learned our lesson and never slip back to that ineptitude.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2023 11:00 am 
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2015 Draft

#10 Harry McKay

#16 Harry Himmelberg

If you had your choice, who would you rather starting in Round 1 in 2024 for the Blues?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Cazzesman wrote:
2015 Draft

#10 Harry McKay

#16 Harry Himmelberg

If you had your choice, who would you rather starting in Round 1 in 2024 for the Blues?

Regards Cazzesman

Do you reckon Harrison George Himmelberg's parents were Beetles fans? :grin:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2023 11:11 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
2015 Draft

#10 Harry McKay

#16 Harry Himmelberg

If you had your choice, who would you rather starting in Round 1 in 2024 for the Blues?

Regards Cazzesman

Do you reckon Harrison George Himmelberg's parents were Beetles fans? :grin:

Magic his sister’s name was Ladybug Christmas Dung.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Cazzesman wrote:
2015 Draft

#10 Harry McKay

#16 Harry Himmelberg

If you had your choice, who would you rather starting in Round 1 in 2024 for the Blues?

Regards Cazzesman


Harry.
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2023 11:33 am 
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malbi wrote:
CarltonClem wrote:
Personally I wish him the best and I think he has some good attributes but there are certain parts of his game I can’t overlook and in finals I suspect would have been exposed.


You suspect, but you don't know.

We do know our midfield of Cripps et al. were badly exposed during the finals with a lack of pace. Yet we're going into next year with much the same plan and now no depth.

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Not sure I fully agree but I do understand what you’re trying to say.
Don’t forget we beat Sydney and Melbourne in 2 x 120 minute fully contested games, not incl. all the elimination finals before the finals even started. I felt we were cooked by the Brisbane game and the 2nd half highlighted that, even though we still could have pinched with some luck.
Do I think we need to add some pace and run on the outside, you bet!

IMO, the half forward areas are the biggest concern. Fogarty and Cottrell don’t have the leg speed or do nearly enough with the ball to hurt the opposition. Can players such as Zac W, Kennedy (I think should have been given more of a go), Carroll, CDurdin or someone else step in?

Let’s see what the coaches do.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2023 11:37 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
2015 Draft

#10 Harry McKay

#16 Harry Himmelberg

If you had your choice, who would you rather starting in Round 1 in 2024 for the Blues?

Regards Cazzesman


Well Mr C,
I think we all know what happened to the Himmelburg...
You just can't trust big heavy things!

So....

Yeah.

Going.

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 Post subject: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:07 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
2015 Draft

#10 Harry McKay

#16 Harry Himmelberg

If you had your choice, who would you rather starting in Round 1 in 2024 for the Blues?

Regards Cazzesman


Well Mr C,
I think we all know what happened to the Himmelburg...
You just can't trust big heavy things!

So....

Yeah.

Going.


Trying to add some spark to the conversation?


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