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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:53 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Brilliantly fed article. Come the end of the trade period, it might prove to have a slight problem with the logic.
Well I believe there is at least one issue with one fact in that article already but I’m sure most wouldn’t pick it up.


Happy to hear what is factually wrong with the article.

You and others may think Fisher is worth more than 30. Others apparently, do not.

It is interesting here that most despise Dodoro, for the way he goes about it, and yet you want Carlton to do the same. Strange.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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The Blues receive North Melbourne’s first-round selection (pick No.21) and second-round selection (No.25) in exchange for No.17 and Zac Fisher.


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 Post subject: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:08 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Brilliantly fed article. Come the end of the trade period, it might prove to have a slight problem with the logic.
Well I believe there is at least one issue with one fact in that article already but I’m sure most wouldn’t pick it up.


Happy to hear what is factually wrong with the article.

You and others may think Fisher is worth more than 30. Others apparently, do not.

It is interesting here that most despise Dodoro, for the way he goes about it, and yet you want Carlton to do the same. Strange.

Regards Cazzesman


If 21 is first round how come it is the first pick on the second night of trading?

And what if north (or someone else) gets another first round pick compensation, doesn’t that move us to second pick on the second night?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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From what I've seen North supporters are a bit "meh" about the deal too, which indicates it's probably a fair trade.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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If I was a North supporter I’d be a bit meh about everything.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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If supporters are looking to make out like bandits in trades, then most deals are pretty meh these days. The days of 2 first rounders for Jonathan Hay are long gone

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Who cares….

i just love the fact the Dirty Filthy Cheating
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a year…HA…!

makes the McGlovin deal look like a….steal*…!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:21 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
The Blues receive North Melbourne’s first-round selection (pick No.21) and second-round selection (No.25) in exchange for No.17 and Zac Fisher.


The Roos received 3 end of first round assistance selections. They are classified as first round picks.

https://www.nmfc.com.au/news/1445567/in ... easons-end

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:09 am 
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21 & 25 is now 22 & 26 following the Gresham move….

26 might become 30 by draft night. Isn’t 30 what the clubs agreed was Fisher’s value? Why did we trade 17 for 22 again?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:35 am 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
21 & 25 is now 22 & 26 following the Gresham move….

26 might become 30 by draft night. Isn’t 30 what the clubs agreed was Fisher’s value? Why did we trade 17 for 22 again?

:yikes:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Can someone answer why StKilda's and Adelaide's compensation picks come before North Melbourne's?
Just to clarify, yes - the pick we hold now.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Can someone answer why StKilda's and Adelaide's compensation picks come before North Melbourne's?
Just to clarify, yes - the pick we hold now.

Because we now hold it. :wink:

I wonder if the player we are looking at now will still be available at pick #22 or later if we keep getting pushed back?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Sidefx wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Can someone answer why StKilda's and Adelaide's compensation picks come before North Melbourne's?
Just to clarify, yes - the pick we hold now.

Because we now hold it. :wink:

I wonder if the player we are looking at now will still be available at pick #22 or later if we keep getting pushed back?

Getting pushed back would have been factored in

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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You'd hope so.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Typical, right in time before we get to take advantage of a possible win for us in the draft.
Hopefully it's to our advantage................. :lol: ............here's to optimism! :beer:

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THE AFL has told clubs it will be reviewing the bidding system, Next Generation Academy incentives and draft value index as it embarks on the off-season.

Clubs were told in a memo from the League's football boss Laura Kane this week that they would be working with clubs to find further improvements in a range of areas, including the operations of the bidding system for father-sons and Northern Academy players.


https://www.afl.com.au/news/1051952/inside-trading-saints-move-progresses-talks-start-for-sun-freo-ups-ante-for-hawk


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:11 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Can someone answer why StKilda's and Adelaide's compensation picks come before North Melbourne's?
Just to clarify, yes - the pick we hold now.

Because we now hold it. :wink:

I wonder if the player we are looking at now will still be available at pick #22 or later if we keep getting pushed back?


We wont keep getting pushed back. Free agency finishes today. The whole world knew Gresham was going FA to the Bummers so Austin and co would have taken it into consideration.
Talking to someone in the game, they believe the first 6-8 selections are top shelf and you can throw a blanket over the next 20-25. So a lot more clubs will select on need this year. It probably explains why everyone is trying to trade into the top 10.
Not saying it's true but I've heard it from a couple of people. FWIW, I think it's an excellent deal. Obviously our recruiters believe at least one of our select targets will still be there at 22. 26 gives us another selection or a chance to package up with next years first or to get Hollands. Sad to see Fish go but it's a good outcome for us. Plus it gets his money off our TPP.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:16 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Can someone answer why StKilda's and Adelaide's compensation picks come before North Melbourne's?
Just to clarify, yes - the pick we hold now.

Because we now hold it. :wink:

I wonder if the player we are looking at now will still be available at pick #22 or later if we keep getting pushed back?


We wont keep getting pushed back. Free agency finishes today. The whole world knew Gresham was going FA to the Bummers so Austin and co would have taken it into consideration.
Talking to someone in the game, they believe the first 6-8 selections are top shelf and you can throw a blanket over the next 20-25. So a lot more clubs will select on need this year. It probably explains why everyone is trying to trade into the top 10.
Not saying it's true but I've heard it from a couple of people. FWIW, I think it's an excellent deal. Obviously our recruiters believe at least one of our select targets will still be there at 22. 26 gives us another selection or a chance to package up with next years first or to get Hollands. Sad to see Fish go but it's a good outcome for us. Plus it gets his money off our TPP.

That's good to know, thanks BV.
Yeah I agree, we did alright with the Fisher deal.
If we could trade up that would be great, if not Hollands and a mid with speed and skill would be an upgrade on both Dow and Fish.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:32 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Typical, right in time before we get to take advantage of a possible win for us in the draft.
Hopefully it's to our advantage................. :lol: ............here's to optimism! :beer:

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DRAFT MECHANISMS UNDER REVIEW
THE AFL has told clubs it will be reviewing the bidding system, Next Generation Academy incentives and draft value index as it embarks on the off-season.

Clubs were told in a memo from the League's football boss Laura Kane this week that they would be working with clubs to find further improvements in a range of areas, including the operations of the bidding system for father-sons and Northern Academy players.


https://www.afl.com.au/news/1051952/inside-trading-saints-move-progresses-talks-start-for-sun-freo-ups-ante-for-hawk


Given clubs can and have traded next years picks, any organisation with slightest semblance of credibility would put any of these changes to affect from after 2024. Of course this is the AFL so anything's possible.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:41 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Can someone answer why StKilda's and Adelaide's compensation picks come before North Melbourne's?
Just to clarify, yes - the pick we hold now.

Because we now hold it. :wink:

I wonder if the player we are looking at now will still be available at pick #22 or later if we keep getting pushed back?


We wont keep getting pushed back. Free agency finishes today. The whole world knew Gresham was going FA to the Bummers so Austin and co would have taken it into consideration.
Talking to someone in the game, they believe the first 6-8 selections are top shelf and you can throw a blanket over the next 20-25. So a lot more clubs will select on need this year. It probably explains why everyone is trying to trade into the top 10.
Not saying it's true but I've heard it from a couple of people. FWIW, I think it's an excellent deal. Obviously our recruiters believe at least one of our select targets will still be there at 22. 26 gives us another selection or a chance to package up with next years first or to get Hollands. Sad to see Fish go but it's a good outcome for us. Plus it gets his money off our TPP.

That's good to know, thanks BV.
Yeah I agree, we did alright with the Fisher deal.
If we could trade up that would be great, if not Hollands and a mid with speed and skill would be an upgrade on both Dow and Fish.


Just to clarify, academy selections will take kids from the pool but it won't push back picks. But that would happen whether we had 17 or 22.
Unless a FA comes out of the blue this afternoon, our selections should stay.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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I'm sure Austin and co. have looked at all possibilities and how best to get the best player at the pick(s) we have. There are no guarantees but I am sure they are looking to position us to have the best chance. And given the commentary here regarding the need to be better at picking quality role players that develop into best 22 for cheap money, isn't this the exact modus operandi to achieve it?


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