I agree....and don't know how anyone could confuse our jumper with another one.

The original Fitzroy jumper was the closest to ours; but even that was never a problem till television.

And that's where the money is...television.

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I disagree, I think it's worse than it's ever been.

In fact the worst we ever had it was when we had the big red MAYNE across our back a couple of seasons back. It just added another colour into the mix.

I don't think that we as fans should settle for 'it's not that bad', or 'you can tell the teams apart if you look at the shorts'. It should be a total non issue.

Why is it that nearly ever major sporting league in the world (all football teams, basketball, hockey, rugby league) have alternative jumpers?

It's because it's common sense.

Anything that can make the game easier to watch on TV or at the ground is a must in my opinion. Get Carlton and Collingwood players into a 12 man all in pack for the ball. One team has black and white, the other navy blue with white shorts. Both have white numbers. Both have dark socks.

Why do that to the fans? OK, so it's down to collingwood putting the black back on their jumpers 10 years ago, but there is an illustration of a clash right there.

Carlton v Melbourne. Even Melbourne had the common sense to wear a red jumper when playing at our home. This is the oldest football club in the world, with the most stuffy, establishment supporters available.

By my reckoning, it would mean carlton wearing an 'away' jumper maybe 5-6 times a year. It will make the game easier to watch for everyone, and possibly even easier to umpire at times.

It doesn't stop us being the Navy Blues. We will always be the Navy Blues. Do Liverpool cease to be the Reds when they play away? Are West Ham no longer the Claret & Blue army when we play at Villa? Of course not.

It's a great idea, and I hope it gets forced through. For once, I agree with the AFL.

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No, nor do I.

From 70m away, looking into the sun, or in the rain, or in a pack of 14 players, these are starkly different...



It's not about the front of the jumper, it's more about the back of the jumper in my opinion. Especially with the added sponsor's logos which are often a contrasting colour for obvious reasons...

I don't think it's exclusively a TV problem at all.

How come when the players play intra club matches they wear different coloured jumpers? Aren't we the NAVY blues? Why don't they all just wear carlton jumpers, but one team wear white shorts! Easy!

This is a step forward, definitely.

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Yep, with you there, 2005. But it's not about Clashes really, regardless of what the AFL claim.

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Yeah bluehammer I understand where you're coming from I just don't really think it's all that big a problem. Don't get me wrong, whilst I'd prefer we just stuck with the navy one we have for all games, I wouldn't think any less of the club if we brought out an alternative strip, I can see the reasons for it and rationalise with it but as I say I just don't it's all that pressing an issue. Anyway we'll have to wait and see.

And anyway, we all know that Burnley are the real Claret and Blue Army!

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I agree with hammer, it should be a total non-issue. Just fix it!



And that is why the AFL doesn't do it.

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Am I remembering rightly when I think of teams that used to not only wear "away and/or home shorts" (colour) and differing sock colours?

I remember Finals where "Carlton won the toss and will wear white shorts and use the visitors rooms" or whatever.

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Yeah, I remember when there was no 50m line, and a centre diamond would you believe. And the players used to wear hats and long pants!

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Wasn't it the AFL heirarchy who were the ones bleating about the difficulty in differentiating between jumpers on TV at night; and this had become a major problem?.....especially since the inception of the interstate teams?

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Yeah right....tell us another one.....

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hehehe yeah probably.

I'm just saying that I don't think this is just a TV problem, if anything it's worse at the ground itself. Especially the dome.

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Our jumper is strong,its powerfull,its distinguished,its BRUTALLY efficient.
Leave it alone.IT IS OUR HERITAGE ! Lot of things have changed around here lately,but the day they change our jumper is the day i bale out.Its all we have got left.Cant understand you new age fans.Aint anything got meaning to you.Do you guys wanna be just like the rest of 'em.Willing to get with every latest gimmick and fad.Grow a heart muscle you pricks and develop a bit of fight.Fight for your jumper,our heritage./

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Sorry mick, you'll end up as dead as the dinosaurs.

I totally agree with hammer. The clashes may be minor in most cases, but they do occur.

Stop followin' me around ! Beat it !
Anyhow Mrs Cazz,whats wrong with bein' old fashioned ?

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Nuthi' at all Mick...it's sweet.

And I can still see those dinosuars in museums, so it's not so bad.

This is the thing, the "regular" jumper will always stay, nobody wants to see it go completely. There'll be 3 or 4 potential jumper clashes every year, by rights 2 of them would be away games, so we wear the alternate jumper for those games because of simple common sense. The other 18-20 weeks (or more hopefully) we wear the regular jumper. And if we have to wear an alternate strip in a final, I know I'll get over it pretty quickly to see our boys win. I'd rather us win flag #17 in a pink jumper than never win it at all.

Our jumper has developed over time as it is, why fight for something that should develop with the times as it has done over our 140+ year history. This should be viewed as one more step in that evolution, nobody is selling out, nobody is trading away our heritage, it's just a natural step in the current climate. IMO leaving Princes Park was a bigger issue in this context than coming up with an alternate jumper design.

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Would you mind if the alternate jumper was very close to this design?

I don't mind the look of this jumper or the Dan Murphy splashed across the front. For mine, as long as that famous CFC is on the jumper in any form I'm happy!

Are there rules restricting the size of the advertising on the front of the jumpers?

It might set a precedent for having larger advertising on the front of the jumpers and Eddie would hyperventilate at the prospect, But I still remember Collo saying we would never have advertising on the back of a Carlton jumper.

AFL marketing gets an itch, tradition scratched

Mooted alternative jumpers.





Since when Collingwood are the most powerful club?

This will get interesting and Eddie will be bent over by AD on this issue!

Typical hysteria from Eddie.

His snipe at North is typical of his 'everyone owes us' crap.

Maybe hes all worried because now hes Nine boss, he hasn't been in the papers for a while.

The key as CB mentions is that its supposed to be worn only a few times.

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Wasn't the whole point that we can't have a blue monogram

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