Talk about being dishonest, once again you’ve misrepresented stats by creating your own ratios based on Dow’s ave number of disposals for 2023, knowing full well that he’s often been the unactivated sub!!!

Without cooking the books, Dow’s Disposals per Clanger ratio would be better (in a good way) than the other mids and his Disposals per Turnover ratio would be comparable.

Very clever manipulation, yet incredibly misleading, even dishonest!!

Even if we would continue to use your approach for 2023 averages (taking into account in some games he saw very little or no game time) for centre clearances, he still has the other 3 mids comfortably covered!!

Dow 2.4
Cerra 1.8
Hewitt 1.1
Kennedy 1.1

Dow’s average for centre clearances when starting in 2023 was close to 4 centre clearances per game!!

During our three finals, Hewitt and Cerra together provided a total of 5 centre clearances!!

That set shot miss before 3/4 was incredibly deflating, I guess there are clangers and there are clangers.

What the stats don’t show is halving a contest, locking the ball in for another stoppage (and not coughing it up). Dow did this at key times against the Demons.

Apart from being our second youngest mid, there’s a saying in US sport “that the best ability is availability”. That may not be totally true however there’s something in that…

Dow seems to have the respect of Nathan Jones, Luke Hodge, Nathan Buckley and Jack Ziebell who were all rather decent, hard nosed mids. I guess they judged for time he spent on the ground in 2023 not as a sub!!

I wish Dow the best where ever he ends up, even though I’d rather it wasn’t the Saints.

I agree. We need to maximise our return in the Fisher trade to compensate for the NIL return likely for Dow.

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WTF are you on about?
I went to an AFL statistics website and sourced disposals per turnover and disposals per clanger. That's it! That can't be manipulated. If he's unused sub, not selected or on the bench, he doesn't get disposals, clangers or turnovers.
The same statistical criteria is applied whether they play 20 minutes, 100 minutes or zero. Whether they play 5 games or 20. That's how statistics work.

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According to Tom Morris: The word yesterday is that it would cost the Saints a future 4th-round draft pick. This trade will get done easily. Stephen Silvagni and Nick Austin have already had preliminary discussions.

Also according to Tom Morris: The Saints also asked the question about Caleb Marchbank, another one of Stephen Silvagni’s guys from GWS and Carlton.

Why do we just throw away players?

Why do we always have to be 'easy to trade with'? Essendon* are cauliflower but still, clubs trade with them.

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Am I the only one worried that we’re trading/giving away our depth?

Austin on Trade Radio.

Pick 42 wont get the Fisher trade done.
Would love to keep Dow but will do what's best to further his footy.
Interested in Cats pick 7 and moving up the draft.

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No. I am too. Giving them away for not much as well is concerning.

Nothing against Paddy personally, but I would have thought our primary aim was to do what is best for the footy club.
Giving our depth away for virtually nothing is not best for our footy club. Need to push harder for a better deal.
And on "would love to keep Dow", if that was the case, surely we'd have offered him more than 1 year.
Not suggesting we match aints 3 year deal and its too late now but if we tabled a 2 year offer to him earlier in the piece, reckon fair chance he would've taken it.

On this, how would we get it done?
This years and next years first for pick 7 and cats 2nd rounder (presumably next years)?

Can't see any reason why we wouldn't throw Marchy in there as well. I mean for a future 4th we would need to add to the Dow trade.

Just to add some context to what he said about #7 - the interviewer (Cal T) mentioned that specific pick - I didn’t get the impression we are targeting that particular pick. Austin seems keen to move up in the draft order if we can though. Said we are focused on the draft this year.

He was also asked about E Hollands and basically said we’re interested but he is a contracted GC player so “wait and see”.

I get the impression that the Fisher deal might not get done until late because NM have other things going on.

And it sounds like we want future pick(s) for Dow. Pleased to hear Austin publicly say that the club wants Dow to stay and that we’ll be pushing for something from StKilda that we can actually use. I took that to mean a future late pick or two (ie. draft points for next year’s F/S).

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Not sure about our approach to the draft.
Personally I think we need to be adding mature talent.
Our salary cap must be full full full.



https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1449472/what-they-said-austin-on-list-strategy

Committed to the draft? Is Austin aware that currently after our first pick, our next comes in about 870?

I wonder if we’re trying to trade #16 + next year’s first to Geelong for #7 + future 4th? ie. trade out of next year’s first round for some points (which we might need for F/S), and move up in the order in this year’s first round.

We should also end up with a 2nd rounder in this year’s draft (Fisher trade).

So #7, #30(ish) & #68 would be our picks this year in that scenario.

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Im pissed Collingwood may get Schultz. Geez he would have been handy for us.

You could be right but that pick from North may wind up with the suns for Elijah leaving us with our 1st rounder (wherever that ends up) and pretty much nothing after that.

Maybe, but I think next year’s 2nd round is more likely to be of interest to GC. If that’s not getting it done, TBH I’d walk away and try again when he’s uncontracted (if we are still interested by then). Personally, EH doesn’t excite me too much (admittedly I’ve only seen bits & pieces, but his VFL performances don’t match his pre-draft highlights reel).

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