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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2023 5:16 pm 
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Another poster is saying we are one of the clubs who has lots of interest in Josh Sinn from Port.


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 Post subject: List Management 2023
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Cazzesman wrote:
kezza wrote:
Another poster is saying we are one of the clubs who has lots of interest in Josh Sinn from Port.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytuFYz3dJEc

Port would be interesting to deal with. They seem to be wanting to bring a few in this draft so a few might go for picks.

Regards Cazzesman

Nice leg and great kicking action on the kid.
Looks quick with some good agility also.
He would be a great pick up for us, can play half back, middle and wing.
Pick 12 for Port.
2.98sec 20m and 6:41 2km

https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/josh-sinn/

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POSITION: Defender/Midfielder
SNAPSHOT: "A line-breaking half-back who has shown promising development in midfield, Sinn’s greatest strengths are his speed and kick penetration."
Sandringham Dragons leader Josh Sinn came into his top-age season as one of the nation's most highly touted prospects, pegged for top 10 status having been a standout among the 2019 Under 16 All Australian squad. He captained an undefeated Vic Metro side in said carnival and looked every bit the damaging talent he has proven to be, offering a run and gun style off half-back with the added bonus of midfield work. Sinn used last year as a means to add strength to his 186cm frame and while he endured multiple injuries in 2021, was able to show glimpses of his best form. His final outing came for Vic Metro, which was cut short due to an ankle injury, but the diligent and versatile dasher showed enough as a top-ager to suggest he will safely remain a first round selection.
STRENGTHS:
+ Speed
+ Run and carry
+ Kick penetration
+ Reading the play
+ Versatility
+ Leadership
IMPROVEMENTS:
- Kick consistency
- Composure

Sinn's most damaging traits are arguably best observed when he plays off half-back or the wing. Blessed with blistering straight-line speed and attacking instincts, there are passages where Sinn will dart the kick-in short, receive a handball back, and take off to carry the ball another 50 metres. He times his handball receives beautifully on the turnover and positions aggressively to intercept, reading the play well to turn defence into penetrative pieces of attack.
Often on the end of Sinn's running passages are booming left-foot kicks. Whether it be after carrying the ball from defence or contributing on either side of midfield, Sinn is not afraid to take the game on through the corridor and was given a license this year to back in his kicking skills, biting off lower-percentage options. Despite not always finding his radar this season, he is regarded internally as the best technical kick at Sandringham and looks to use that weapon, kicking 71 per cent of the time to help generate 100-metre plays.
When moving at such speed as Sinn, your quickness of mind needs to keep up with your fleet of foot. That is an area Sinn can look to refine, with his potentially damaging kicking not always coming off. Particularly early in the year, he would blaze away long or mis-hit his kicks when in full stride, resulting in several uncharacteristic clangers. The game which exemplified this best came in Round 4 against Dandenong, where Sinn played in midfield and generated 10 inside 50s. In the first half, he looked unlikely to hit the side of a barn door, but soon straightened up and began to hurt the opposition going forward.
Further to his kick consistency, Sinn can sometimes be rushed to dispose quickly given he often possesses the ball with speed on it. He is prone to dumping out handballs which invite pressure or improvising opposite-foot kicks which don't always come off, but are products of his willingness to constantly take the game on. With a bit more composure, he can find better consistency in his disposal without having to sacrifice his natural instincts in transition.
Back to his strengths, versatility is a big one which plays into Sinn's upside. In particular, his potential to develop as a balanced midfielder brings plenty of excitement given his powerful athletic profile. With a decent frame (186cm, 82kg) and explosive pace, Sinn could become an eye-catching ball winner in future. Though with plenty of time to develop that craft, he will likely start his career as a running half-back or wingman who lets his attacking exploits shine.
DRAFT PROJECTION: 12-20
SUMMARY:
While arguably a top 5-10 talent coming into the year, Sinn has slid slightly down the order on the back of an interrupted season. One of his two greatest weapons, his kicking, was not as effective as it could have been this year but Sinn delivered on most other promises to showcase the damaging player he can be. Hamstring and ankle injuries may put question marks over his durability, though will unlikely see him slide out of the first round. If that is the case, he will be a bargain for any club given his potential to play early in year one, and the outstanding character/leadership he has shown throughout his junior career.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Memphis Blues wrote:
Fish to North

Has officially requested a trade: https://www.afl.com.au/news/1048833/car ... -melbourne

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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I'd happily send Dow gift wrapped to Sydney before I let SOS get his bitter, slimy @#$%&! hands on him for nothing.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Memphis Blues wrote:
Fish to North

Has officially requested a trade: https://www.afl.com.au/news/1048833/car ... -melbourne


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Dow is rated above Fisher by most Carlton supporters, but the funny thing is I reckon we’re going to end up getting more for Fisher than for Dow.

We’re repeatedly told to look at the net outcome of the trade period, rather than individual trade returns. So I guess we should be content if we get overs for Fisher and unders for Dow.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Fair point!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Blue Vain wrote:
I'd happily send Dow gift wrapped to Sydney before I let SOS get his bitter, slimy @#$%&! hands on him for nothing.

He got us Jack Martin that way, so I suppose we shouldn’t squeal too much when it’s our turn to be on the receiving end.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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I wouldn't think so. If he's working for St Kilda and trying to shaft us, he can @#$%&! off as far as I'm concerned.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
I'd happily send Dow gift wrapped to Sydney before I let SOS get his bitter, slimy @#$%&! hands on him for nothing.

He got us Jack Martin that way, so I suppose we shouldn’t squeal too much when it’s our turn to be on the receiving end.


Except he did try and orchestrate a trade for Jack Martin. In fact reports suggest he and suns list manager agreed on a trade which was our 2nd rounder. Then their president came over the top and vetoed it, demanding our 1st rounder. Then the deal fell over.
In this case reports suggest he isn't even trying to orchestrate a trade. He just wants Paddy for nothing.


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 Post subject: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:39 pm 
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Straight swap Dow for Billings

Both starved of opportunities could do them both good

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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rhino27 wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
I'd happily send Dow gift wrapped to Sydney before I let SOS get his bitter, slimy @#$%&! hands on him for nothing.

He got us Jack Martin that way, so I suppose we shouldn’t squeal too much when it’s our turn to be on the receiving end.


Except he did try and orchestrate a trade for Jack Martin. In fact reports suggest he and suns list manager agreed on a trade which was our 2nd rounder. Then their president came over the top and vetoed it, demanding our 1st rounder. Then the deal fell over.
In this case reports suggest he isn't even trying to orchestrate a trade. He just wants Paddy for nothing.

If the shoe were on the foot, I would want us to try to get the player for nothing too. SOS is just doing what StKilda are paying him to do.

Hopefully Dow is open to a move to Sydney and the Swans are willing to make some sort of face saving trade with us. If he publicly nominates the Saints, then we could have a shit show on our hands.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Straight swap Dow for Billings

Both starved of opportunities could do them both good

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Sounds good. We need at least 1 more whipping boy to take the ire of the fan base now that Fish, Dow, Plow and LOB are going or gone

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Straight swap Dow for Billings

Both starved of opportunities could do them both good

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Why would StKilda do that if they reckon they can get Dow as a DFA or in the PSD?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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The_Cranium wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Straight swap Dow for Billings

Both starved of opportunities could do them both good

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Sounds good. We need at least 1 more whipping boy to take the ire of the fan base now that Fish, Dow, Plow and LOB are going or gone

Lewis Young appears to be the new target. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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dannyboy wrote:
I'd like to keep Dow
however

on the % shit - just be careful of stats. Who did he play against? How did the club go in that match? Was he tagged, was he tagging? Was he the mid that ran hard to relieve the handball off one of the other mids? etc etc etc The stats do not look at who against who, when etc.

Also like any stat its about length of time and the size of the samples, etc.


Jake can confirm however my understanding is that the stats above for Paddy relate to the games against PA (as the sub), WC, Collingwood (as the sub), St.kilda, Demons, Suns and Giants.

The sample is large enough against pretty much elite midfield opposition, in games that we had to win…


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