No reason why he can't be good again.
His marking is great.
Has serious speed like McGovern. He closes down and keeps up with opposition.

We just don't see it enough, especially after a mark.
He needs work on him over preseason. Reset.

If Young could be our Liam Jones, Weitering would be freed up.
I thought Young might be that player early in 2022.

His best is ahead of him imo. Only 24yo.

He won a Brownlow vote in 2022 IIRC.

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We can't always get what you want.

We were always going to get into this kind of squeeze.
SOS gave himself ample first rounders, and he cut the list to the bone to do so.
Ample first rounders didn't settle in to our best 22: Stocker, SPS, Setterfield, O'Brien, Dow, Philp.

The market gave us what they gave us and will give us what they give us, not what we want.

I wonder if the club is trying to convince Dow to sign on with Carlton now another first rounder, Philp, is off the list.

Our riches are embarrassing, and the return on them has been even more embarrassing for me.

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Nah , i'm saying i like the two man Ruck setup . And the better the Ruckmen , the more i like it .

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What does where Philp was taken in the draft have to do with whether we keep Dow or not?

Once you’re picked your draft number means very little. Someone else’s draft number means absolutely nothing.

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Point related to previous post re losing so many former 1st rounders. Philp adds another to the long list first rounders lost cheap. Add LOB to that and then Dow, and there's a trend that raises questions, and maybe there's a desire to hold onto Dow with a better offer than current, to buck that trend. Just food for thought.

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Word is the 2 year deal was heavily front-ended, so no TPP pressure this year.

On trade returns, I think we would be doing very well if we can get a 3rd rounder for either of Dow or Fisher. More likely to see early 4th, pick swaps or futures.

It is only natural to want to see a return on our draft investment, but we have very little leverage with players so clearly out of our best 22. What leverage we do have isn't worth using for the very minor pick upgrades it might net us.

I am more frustrated with the lack of development we put into them, and also with the rationale behind their drafting in the first place. Dow, LOB, SPS, Stocker, Setterfield etc all walked into the club with the same glaring deficiencies they walked out with. You don't get 2nd round picks in exchange for players like that.

A player with 2 yrs to run and 100 games under his belt, being offered a 4 +1 yr contract. You don't get much more leverage than that

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Exactly, why do people repeatedly ignore Fisher's contact situation and what North are reportedly offering the player? Meanwhile we've got other posters saying we'll need to give a 2nd plus change for Elijah Hollands who has played 14 games in 2 years for a bullshit team. Why do we undervalue our own assets and overvalue everyone else's? We came 3rd this year but still talking like we're the laughing stock of the league.

old habits....

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North are offering Fisher time - the one thing they have plenty of. Who’s to say that the deal isn’t less money per year?

I’m not saying it’s a Lamb/Sumner/etc deal, but they’ve got a lot of entry level contracts on their books.

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Fisher would be leaving a club where he and others have put in the hard yards to go from being a joke to a contender, and just when he's on the verge of glory he jumps to a new club where he gets to start at the bottom all over again... for less money? I don't buy it. I get that footy is ultimately a job and you may make the unsentimental choice for financial reasons, but I can't imagine Fisher would have so little self confidence that he'd make such a move just for contract length.

FWIW, Tom Morris saying this morning that Dow will likely get to the club of choice as a delisted free agent.

Thats poor by us if we just delisted him. OMG. I dont care what anyone says, he has some very good AFL qualities. Why would we just give him up. And we have to pay through the nose for someone like Hollands. To me like for like, actually Dow has performed a little better in my eyes.

Insane if true.

Typical media talking up our Star departing players but they are worth nothing.

But we need to pay through the roof for anymore who underperforms but they were high picks.

Agree with all of you. He has to be worth something and for the record the Setterfield trade wasn't something. We essentially gave him up for nothing too. Dow we must get something for.

Why would we delist Dow when we’ve offered him a contract? Seriously, to do SOS a favour? Doubt it

Does that mean AFL compo??

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