Whilst we are achieving what we ARE achieving and paying whatever it is for our best 23, and can afford to carry (injured or just out of best 23)

Williams 800K,
Plowman 600K? (back ended) maybe more,
Ed 400K (half counted for as a rookie),
Silvagni 400K,

That's $1.9M injured or coming back from injury.

WE are doing real good with Harry & the Blue Brethren that runs on the Gabba.

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Now add those who may not make the final 23 this week

Kennedy,
Cuningham,
Dow
Fisher,
Boyd,
LOB,

What are the above 6 costing us despite not in our best 23 this week? $1.5?

All up the above 2 numbers equate to approx $ 3.4M

And people are worried that a dangerous 203cm mobile Coleman Medalist and Best 22 player is costing us 800K.



Its just a discussion, and Food for thought in List Management Thread.

I don't take all ideas serious, but take it on the chin when a response happens around here.

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I am guessing that this list is just someone's opinion, not official from the club.

Lots of talk about Harry being traded, especially if it can be manipulated so we end up with Reid.

But who is our second KPF. Charlie can't keep getting doubled tagged. We have a few options.

TDK, although he has been found wanting.

Lemmey showing promise in the VFL but as yet an unknown.

My choice, JSOS. Will relish having a set position, knows the forward plays, proven goalkicker, will allow ruck to float forward.

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No love for Cuningham, he's also out of contract.

Marchbank and Dow have value, and promoted themselves through their AFL opportunity, as does Fisher, but like LOB, in contract.

I'm guessing, all Carlton want is for another team to take on LOBs 2024 contract rather than paying him out.

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Lots of talk ? from who ?

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Harry ain’t going anywhere. He is essential to our future. I think the club is on the same page as most of us.
Charlie & Harry will multiple premiership forwards for CFC.

i RECKON THEY WILL TOO.

FK CAPS.sorry

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on a serious question, could we trade williams and part pay his salary? we have boyd, hollands, binns who are cheaper and less injury prone

would there be any takers for him?

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my last one was rubbish

kane Cornes mostly, and he talks for ever....

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it would be harsh for the club to tell marchy he is going to be traded while being selected for finals. this entire list sounds like guesswork

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I won't go on with this much further as some people hijack threads with repetitive or smart arse hero posts that add nothing to the debate. It's just meant to be a discussion piece.
The point for me is our team structure doesn't function well with 2 rucks and 2 tall forwards. It's just my opinion.
We're much better (and the indisputable results clearly show it) that we win more games when we play 1 ruck, 1 tall forward and a forward/ruck.
Now if Harry could play the forward/ruck role, that would solve a heap of problems. But at this stage, he doesn't appear to have the ability and/or inclination. Consider how potent and mobile our structure would be if Charlie/Harry made up our tall forward options for 80% of the game and Charlie/TDK made up the other 20%. Then one of the Jacks could play the 3rd tall role and we'd still have sufficient small forward options.
There would be no reason to carry Pitto on the bench for his rotations as we currently do.

We currently have won every game when Harry has missed. Against the best opposition. Not because Harry isn't a very good player but because our team functions better without juggling 2 rucks through the bench or forward line. We have more run and the shape gives us more room to hit up targets in the F50 corridor. Once again, just my opinion.

So either Harry becomes a competitive second ruck like Joe Daniher (5 minutes per quarter) during the off season or if he doesn't want to, I'd look to trade him. We have to do whatever it takes to win as many games as possible as a team. Not cater to the needs of individual players.
As I said before, it's just my opinion but the win/loss ratio is indisputable. So if Harry comes out and kicks 5 on the weekend and has a great game, it doesn't change the situation for me. Harry is a very good player. He has enormous potential but the structure of 2 tall forwards/2 rucks doesn't work in the majority of games. Especially against the best teams.

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Structure I'd love to see is Harry taking 5 or so minutes rucking and TDK then rucks the rest
this is not denying Pitto's huge efforts again Dees
but going into this weekend's game I worry about that forward line of Harry/Curnow/TDK
or do we rest TDK on the bench when Pitto is rucking? Does that reduce our run?

Also - and I don't know the answer - Does playing Pitto/TDK,Charlie and Harry, does it hurt our turnover game?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

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i think we absolutely have to move harry up the ground to play wing. run up and down that wing offering a marking target and long kicks over the back of our F50.

doc slips back as an extra defender and acres does his thing the other wing.


harry in around goals - until he sorts his shit out, kills us.

First of all I ask why?

What I am trying to point out is we can afford to carry rehabilitating players on our list and still target some great players to continue to improve.

We don't need to trade Williams.

Williams is a better player than Boyd Hollands and Binns by a long stretch. Williams is a Best 22 player.

Only player of the above who could relieve Williams from backline to midfield or even HF is Boyd, and there will come a day Boyd will cement himself in the team, like he's done before.

Williams is running freely right now, and will be ready to play for the reigning Premiers next year.

Lets watch Boyd Binns and Hollands continue to develop and when they surpass Williams, it will probably be close to the end of his contract.

Maybe Austin can look at his options from a stronger position end of next year. Pretty hard to trade a player coming back from an ACL.

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Jumping at shadows db

Whu all the worry..Coaches have already told you, over and over again what works for our team, regardless of opinions of posters, who, I'm guessing, have you spooked too.

We are fine.

We need firepower.

Remind me how many goals our smalls kicked last week without the 'burden' of playing 2 rucks and 2 KPs. Motlop 2, and Owies 1. We were lucky to win with 11 goals. Thank god we kicked straight and Dees didnt.

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Talks forever ? actually , he talks shit forever .

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You can't put it this way, and call it an opinion BV.

The Coaches, Voss and Hansen have never said "Harry doesn't want to play ruck". No one has ever said that other than you. The coaches have made it clear they prefer the 2 rucks and 2 KPs ad nauseum.

Why are you painting a picture that Harry is the trouble maker, and saying the coaches are catering for Harry's needs, when its their team, and they make the final decisions, not Harry. There lies the problem.

You have to see that despite calling out "its only your opinion' you position your statements as fact. That's the only thing I ever pull you up on.

Basing your argument on our win loss with Harry from a such small sample size in a year where inconsistency has been the constant is evidence that plan A can work, but its not the be all to end all..

We won 3-4 games in a row by 50 points, then we've won a few games by single digits, then we've lost a game when we put the cue in the rack and rested players, etc, the patterns, or lack of pattern cannot be blamed on Harry. A lot of trialing of new things, tweaks, have gone on in that time since the GCS game, let alone prior.

Our opinions are all theories, and that's how they should be presented. I really feel for Harry being pigeon holed and blamed for something that is not true. Well, nothing that can be substantiated as truth.

Go Blues.

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Read the post. I didn't say he doesn't want to play ruck. I said "if he doesn't want to".
The coaches should give him the option and "if" he chooses not to accept it, move on from there.
So go bother someone else with your bullshit. Calling out Danny. He can't think for himself based off the facts. He must have been spooked by other posters because he has a different view.
It's the way you work. Patrolling the site attempting to devalue anyone who dares have an opinion different to yours. Baiting them into your childish games of endless @#$%&! arguments. Get over it. I'm not here to conform to what suits you.

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