We all know SOS wanted Tomlinson with the Charlie pick, but was it Weideman that he rated above Harry?

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We are a Top 4 side now missing Silvagni Williams Boyd from possible best 22.

I expect Binns Cowan to be regulars next year and big improvement in Hollands Cincotta Motlop.

Hopefully O’Keefe Lemmey Akuei Carroll start to step up as well and S.Durdin can stay fit

We will add around 5-6 players through draft and rookies. All looks good

get some tough bodies Austin we have enough softies .

have you watched any of the last few months - I think we have plenty of tough bodies.

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WOW this is not the take I was expecting on our list.

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Can't agree. We are one tough side now

Bit of an unnecessary pot at the list, but I do agree that everyone we draft needs to be up for it physically and mentally as the top priority; we saw on Friday how even a disjointed and clumsy performance can be overcome by relentless pressure and sheer grit. Having said that, you won't even get to the finals in the first place without top-shelf skills to go with it - 6 months is too long to survive with a siege mentality. All in all, I'd say we've got an excellent list in terms of inside power, and as of this season we're looking good on endurance (even more so when Binns and one or more Campo's make the step up). I reckon our main priorities are finding some more elite kicks and athletic mid-sized forwards, and another small/mid sized defender with Newman+Doc+to a lesser extent Saad getting on a bit.

We cant rest on this years success and fall in the trap of thinking we can take the next step with these current players.

We need to add pieces that can take us to the next step. Its why im against signing Marchbank, and Cunningham for example.

We need a smart medium forward and i reckon another KPP defender. And more versatile players.

bath and bathwater

of course we need to develop the list
however
Plowman
Honey
Philip
Ed
Lob
Dow
Fisher

are enough to consider - and even then it may only be 3 or 4 that are off the list

Possibles to come in
Williams
Binns
Cowan

plus whoever we draft this year.

I think we need a mid size forward
and a key defensive

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Newman - 31
Docherty - 31
Saad - 30
Williams - 30
McGovern - 30

Cincotta - 28
Boyd - 26
Fisher - 26

Cowan - 20

All of the 30+ brigade have a frequent flyer pass with the rehab team, yet I’d still back them to play through 33-34.

Regardless, I think we’ll be taking on at least one more apprentice small/general defender.

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Plowman - 30

Durdin - 28
Marchbank - 28
Weitering - 27
Young - 26

Kemp - 23

One or two in this group as well.

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The highest rated player on the ground was TDK. Took the "down their line" marks that are seen as what makes Harry irreplaceable. Kicked the goals we needed (got us started singlehandedly) and provided a strong second ruck option. Reliable, resilient players are what you want and TDK is becoming that. Breakout game. I still believe our structure is better with Charlie and TDK as our forward options and our win/loss outcome proves it beyond doubt.
The reality continues. We're have a 100% winning record this year without Harry and mostly against the top 4 sides. If Melbourne are desperate for a key forward, I'd talk to them. They currently have 5 and 13. Combined with our first rounder, we could set ourselves up beautifully for the future.I know Vossy will bring him straight back but I'd consider the option at seasons ends.

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I agree with the structure but I prefer TDK ruck and Harry forward and Pitto out.


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i've been in the pro trade harry club for a little while now. and that's based mostly on TDK having a much higher ceiling and being better for our structure as a resting forward ruck in the mould of Jackson from freo.

I'd love to see us get a premier small forward and bank a little cap from any harry deal.


the game is going more mobile, and fast and handball chains thru the middle to break open the ironclad defensive zones we've seen dominate for the last decade. tigers started it, and GWS and pies are the more refined versions of that. and when we've employed that style (due to injuries rather than planning) we've looked the best team in the comp and daylight second.

Here's some FACTS which need to be considered amongst all the FACTS referred to to prove we are better off without Harry.

Some Facts are not measured by AFL Fantasy or Champion, but by intangibles which also need to be considered. Such as the coach's opinion, Charlies opinion, the eye test, the game plan, and how the empirical facts may be skewed by one game.



The pillars are ours for the next 6-7 years.

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Does anyone think we would part with Harry for picks 5 & 13?

I don't.

We will need those picks to attract a bonafide CHF, and they don't grow on trees. 203cm marking target.
I wish we had him playing in the 2nd half vs Swans and Demons game.

Sure Harry's form has been a bit off this year, but he's proven to be a fantastic mark and a former winner of the Coleman; implies he has kicked goals aplenty. I recall plenty of AFL players who got the yips and came back to their best, same with cricketers. Its call form.

What you're banking on is that Harry wont regain his goal kicking form again. He's 26yo this year. He's mucked around with his preferred kicking and that has really played games with his head. Problem is between the ears, not ability. It can easily be fixed up.

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Well said Bondi. Harry is obviously going through some challenges but let’s not forget he’s a Coleman medallist. He just needs a bit of confidence back and his kicking and contested marking will return. He and Charlie also have to keep working on their leading patterns to give each other the best opportunities. They haven’t played a whole lot of footy together, so I expect this synergy to improve a lot. If they can get this right, they will be taking one of the oppositions best defenders away from each other and give each other way more chances at one on ones. We’ve seen how Charlie can neutralised when the oppositions two best defenders can focus on him solely.


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harry is a long way aways, and perhaps never again entering the stratosphere of coleman medal winner. which isn't the problem in itself. the problem is we're paying him like one.


cornes (i know i know) said what i've been feeling watching this season and our 100% win record without harry.

when harry misses the easy ones, he deflates the entire team. and he does and it was his miss, not his departure that commenced the tail slide Vs the swans which nearly cost us the game.

charlie was neutralised (imo) more bcos we missed martin, not harry - as per last time we played Dees... martin continually took level out into deep waters. when lever chose to shade towards charlie, martin made him pay. i'm not sure defenders are going to respect harry until he proves he can kick goals - which this year, just hasn't happened.


i remember montagna who i rate as an analyst saying how deflating it is for mids to run and work the ball into scoring positions, only for your key forward to miss easy set shots. it sucks the life out of the team.


voss can talk about how we're better with harry. but statistically there's enough to suggest that this 2023 season, that's not the case. martin is actually more important.

Assistant/ forwards coach Ash Hansen was “flabbergasted, bemused and shocked” by external commentary that the Blues’ forward line worked better without McKay.

“I understand it creates great debate … but this is a really easy question – we’re a better team with him in it,” he said.

“Sometimes it’s intangible what players can do for your group … I think guys walk taller when Harry’s out there, it reduces Charlie’s workload which allows him to be more energetic and dynamic in other contests because he’s not having to get to everything.

“Harry is super important for us – I think in the last game he played he was the leading score involvement player on the ground before he went off.”

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You can't just write off every player because of a lull in form.

Use to shit me how people with no idea were writing off Charlie Curnow because of his knee injury. Same with other players who have turned their career around in the 2nd half of this season.

OK to have an opinion, but if its based on what Cornes says ( remember what he said about Walsh), or Montagna. King asked Montagna if he would drop him, Montagna said No, but ther question still needs to be asked... and you want to follow what these shopping trolleys say at a whim.

Harry was a great kick in the U18's and in his early games we were all rapt he could kick straight.

We know he followed the Stevie Johnson style of kicking across the body, which was not his normal method (when he won the Coleman), and it really has stuffed him up.

His last game against Swans in a Semi final, in half a game, he had 7 score involvements and we were beating them comfortably by 5 goals, and could've been 6 goals if he hadn't missed an easy shot.

Have a read again what Ash Hansen thinks will happen. He's got a good idea and not giving up on Harry getting his goal kicking right AGAIN. I say again, because its not something he's never mastered.

Forget what the media says for click bait and don't look at just the Champion data. There's more to a player's value than plain limited statistics: the intangibles.

Harry would be offered $800K by nearly every team, if not every team in the comp. Its his market price.

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