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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2023 6:32 pm 
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we definitely need a dynamic forward this offseason.

in all likelihood our season will end this year bcos harry and martin weren't available. all year it's felt like charlie or bust up front apart from a few cameos from motlop & owies. the later not really consistent enough and maybe even good enough to beat a really good (let alone elite) defender.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2023 9:55 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
we definitely need a dynamic forward this offseason.

in all likelihood our season will end this year bcos harry and martin weren't available. all year it's felt like charlie or bust up front apart from a few cameos from motlop & owies. the later not really consistent enough and maybe even good enough to beat a really good (let alone elite) defender.

There’s a young bloke at the Doggies called Dom Bedendo. Not too sure where he figures in Bevo’s plans, but he might be a low-risk trade.

There’s a handful of that type in the draft, not just the top end.

We’re a better chance of making one than buying one.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:32 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-finals-2023-carlton-reaping-rewards-from-stephen-silvagnis-work/news-story/42505a08574723882feea154d14a8303

It is the September team that Stephen Silvagni built.

As bitter as the break-up was between “SOS” and Carlton in 2019, the undeniable fact is that 14 of the Blues’ starting 22 on Friday night were recruited by the one of the club’s favourite sons.

It started with that super spine draft of 2015. The Blues bagged Jacob Weitering, Harry McKay and Charlie Curnow with first-round selections and added David Cuningham with the pick received for Chris Yarran in the second round.
Like every club, there were some misses along the way, of course. But in Silvagni’s five years in charge he identified the bulk of the Blues’ breakthrough finals line-up.

His parting gift was Jack Martin, who came for free via the pre-season draft after Silvagni stared down Gold Coast in trade talks that crumbled.


Thats fair .


Nope, SOS got lucky, Harry and Charlie weren’t his first choices, SOS had other plans!!

SOS & Bolton argued over the Cunningham selection, Bolton wanted Dunkley!!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:39 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
In the past, we could rattle off half a dozen definite delistings at the end of a season. I can only come up with three definites this time:

E Curnow*
Philp
Plowman

Possible delistings:

Honey - uncontracted, teases us with his talent but does he want it badly enough? I wouldn’t be against a one year extension because he could be a late developer, but my sense is that he will be cut.
LOB - contracted for another year, so unless there is interest at the trade table (unlikely), he stays.
S Durdin* - uncontracted, good depth player, but injury prone and turning 28 next year.
Mirkov* - contracted for next year, but how is his health? If the medical prognosis is positive, I’m happy for him to see out his contract. He’d need to play a senior game next year to stay beyond that though.
Akuei* - contracted for next year, so he’s presumably safe (I don’t just see him making it frankly).

Probably traded:

Dow - I want him to stay, but I can totally see why he would be looking to move on. Out of contact, so we’re in a crap bargaining position at the trade table. I can see this being another Setterfield scenario, where we do the nice guy thing and trade him for nothing to his preferred club rather than forcing him into the PSD.
Fisher - we should be able to extract a benefit from the receiving club (North?) because he is contracted for another two years. I’m not suggesting we’ll get a first round draft pick or anything, but hopefully we can bank some nice points out of the deal (perhaps for f/s next year?).

Potential trade:

Carroll - contracted for another year, and I’m in no hurry to move him on, but if there’s interest I would look at it. For example, if he has expressed a desire to return to WA at some point, and WCE or Freo have a similarly ranked player who fits a need for us - or if they are willing to give up a pick that will unlock a trade with another club (eg. for a medium forward or key defender). I like Carroll’s toughness but his disposal worries me a bit. Still young, but I’m less bullish on him than I was 12-18 months ago and I’m curious to know his trade currency (if any).

Hopefully re-signing soon:

Silvagni
Fogarty
Cunningham
Marchbank



Curnow, Philp, Plowman, LOB, Honey, Mirkov


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:41 pm 
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He’s a good size….

for a HF/MID…?

i can’t remember that well…!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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DesEnglish wrote:
I’d look at Henry, we’ve had a good run with Freo players last couple of years. His speed would be invaluable. If we’re sure next year’s first is going on Camporeale’s kids then I’d consider trading it with a steak knife 4th coming back our way (for points)


Very average user of the ball, it won’t stop SOS having another crack


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:44 pm 
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ColourMan wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-finals-2023-carlton-reaping-rewards-from-stephen-silvagnis-work/news-story/42505a08574723882feea154d14a8303

It is the September team that Stephen Silvagni built.

As bitter as the break-up was between “SOS” and Carlton in 2019, the undeniable fact is that 14 of the Blues’ starting 22 on Friday night were recruited by the one of the club’s favourite sons.

It started with that super spine draft of 2015. The Blues bagged Jacob Weitering, Harry McKay and Charlie Curnow with first-round selections and added David Cuningham with the pick received for Chris Yarran in the second round.
Like every club, there were some misses along the way, of course. But in Silvagni’s five years in charge he identified the bulk of the Blues’ breakthrough finals line-up.

His parting gift was Jack Martin, who came for free via the pre-season draft after Silvagni stared down Gold Coast in trade talks that crumbled.


Thats fair .


Nope, SOS got lucky, Harry and Charlie weren’t his first choices, SOS had other plans!!

SOS & Bolton argued over the Cunningham selection, Bolton wanted Dunkley!!

They’re queuing up to give Bolton a job :wink:

Dunkley might be playing alongside Kyle if he’d come into the league under Bolton’s tutelage.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:08 am 
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tommi wrote:
He’s a good size….

for a HF/MID…?

i can’t remember that well…!


kindest regards tommi






OI….

ya right mate…?

whatta ya up to in here…?

not sure hey…?

yeah thought so…!

back away champ…even i don’t know what
you’re talking about…!


kindest regards tommi






i believe my mate in the earlier post thought
he was in the Elija Hollands thread…!

either way he should’ve known better than
getting involved in that type of stuff…!


not making excuses for him…just detailing his
stupidity…!




idiot…!

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 8:30 am 
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Crusader wrote:
Braithy wrote:
we definitely need a dynamic forward this offseason.

in all likelihood our season will end this year bcos harry and martin weren't available. all year it's felt like charlie or bust up front apart from a few cameos from motlop & owies. the later not really consistent enough and maybe even good enough to beat a really good (let alone elite) defender.

There’s a young bloke at the Doggies called Dom Bedendo. Not too sure where he figures in Bevo’s plans, but he might be a low-risk trade.

There’s a handful of that type in the draft, not just the top end.

We’re a better chance of making one than buying one.



possibly after this season, our offseason strategy might change and will be more about our window is now?

ie we won't have time to make one. but will trade for one already assembled?


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 Post subject: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 9:34 am 
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Fogarty signed a new 1 year deal

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 9:35 am 
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Channel 7 reporting Fogarty has re-signed on a 1 year contract
Good news


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 9:43 am 
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Like what Fogs brings but the 1 year is ideal -keeps him keen and means he will need to fight to keep his position in the senior team
Hopefully cunningham and Marchbank get similar contracts


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 1:55 pm 
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I'd like to see Cuningham and Marchbank sign 2 year deals but agree with the Fog deal.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 2:00 pm 
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2 years is too much for Cunningham and Marchbank.

They can barely stay on the park and we cant be stuck with injured players. We have already been stuck with them for years.

This may be controversial, however i understand they are good players but they are not so special that we keep on hanging onto them. Cunningham gets around what 10 possessions a game. Goes missing and then he comes and does something. We need consistancy.

What happens if they are injured long term again. We have too many injury prone players.

We need to still turn the list over for that point of difference we need. Especially if we fair this year. We need to indentify what we need and we need the list space to get what we need.

If we do sign them - only 1 year deals in my eyes.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 2:25 pm 
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agreed.

its no surprise that our improvement has come with the inclusion of some of these players actually being available.

Martin, Cunningham, McGovern, Marchbank ... all make us better and its almost a rare scenario that they are all fit and available.

I think Martin and McGovern have shown enough and give us enough football to warrent a multi year, but im not yet convinced with Cunningham / Marchbank etc.. at their best they are worth it, but we just cant be sure we can get 15+ games out of them a year etc.. and if we cant, its a massive issue. 1 year max.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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ScottSaunders2 wrote:
agreed.

its no surprise that our improvement has come with the inclusion of some of these players actually being available.

Martin, Cunningham, McGovern, Marchbank ... all make us better and its almost a rare scenario that they are all fit and available.

I think Martin and McGovern have shown enough and give us enough football to warrent a multi year, but im not yet convinced with Cunningham / Marchbank etc.. at their best they are worth it, but we just cant be sure we can get 15+ games out of them a year etc.. and if we cant, its a massive issue. 1 year max.


Yeah . Best ability is availability .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 3:33 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
ScottSaunders2 wrote:
agreed.

its no surprise that our improvement has come with the inclusion of some of these players actually being available.

Martin, Cunningham, McGovern, Marchbank ... all make us better and its almost a rare scenario that they are all fit and available.

I think Martin and McGovern have shown enough and give us enough football to warrent a multi year, but im not yet convinced with Cunningham / Marchbank etc.. at their best they are worth it, but we just cant be sure we can get 15+ games out of them a year etc.. and if we cant, its a massive issue. 1 year max.


Yeah . Best ability is availability .


Plowman has been available all year :yikes:


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 Post subject: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 3:37 pm 
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Poor Plow.

There were some good times. I'll always remember his darts inside 50.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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BamBam7 wrote:
Poor Plow.

There were some good times. I'll always remember his darts inside 50.


Effing oath . Has been a good loyal foot soldier for our Club .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Yep, I've always liked Plow and he did a good job for us over the years; the group has moved past his level and that's fine, he can leave with head held high.

Agreed on the 1 year contracts. These blokes have held up all right this season but they need to string together consecutive years to gain that level of faith. If another club wants to gamble on a long contract like Norf are allegedly doing with Fish, then we secure maximum capital in return and thanks for everything.


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