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rhino27
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2023 1:16 pm 
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london blue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Motlop into the 22 for Martin and Boyd or Fisher into defence. I'd play McGovern forward in place of Harry. Beautiful finisher, can leap to bring the ball to ground and would keep Lever occupied.
We'll be too tall in defence this week with Marchbank, Weitering, Kemp and McGovern. Melbourne will load up on smalls IMHO.
I'm probably inclined to bring in Boyd because we need his ball use out of defence. 4 goals from us bringing the ball out and turning it over is abysmal. We kept them in the contest.

Kemp Weitering Boyd
Newman Marchbank Saad
Acres Cripps Docherty
Fogarty McGovern Cottrell
Cuningham Charlie Owies

Pitto, Cerra Walsh

I/C Cincotta TDK Hewett Motlop (Sub- Any of Kennedy/Jack/Dow)

Like idea of Boyd in and McGovern forward given Melbourne’s likely set up

Concern over Motlop, don’t think he is physically ready


If the plan is to throw Gov forward, I'd favour Fisher over Boyd. Will provide more run and carry and will be prepared to take the high risk/high reward kick and will come off a lot more than not. I know potentially only one other person will agree with me, but that's the way I'd go.
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CK95
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Speaking of Mcgovern. Was that just cramp at the end?

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bluehammer
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It was that 'run the clock down' cramp I reckon

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keogh
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Melbourne had 69 inside 50 s to 37 against the Pies
As Lloyd said on AAA this morning Melbourne bomb it in then try to create congestion inside their forward 50
Those days are gone as the game forever changes
With Van Rooyen out they simple can’t kick a winning score

More conf this Friday than last
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keogh
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2023 1:27 pm 
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bluehammer wrote:
It was that 'run the clock down' cramp I reckon


Cramp
He certainly wouldn’t win any endurance events
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keogh
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2023 1:33 pm 
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Lever and May are pivotal to their chances
Put Cottrell on Lever. Cottrell is in form and has the habit of kicking a couple like last Friday
When DeKoning is resting down forward provide a contest and put body on May who clearly will get Charlie
If you nullify one of these players it’s game over
Our mids bat deeper
Our defence will shit over their forwards
Gawn is a fantastic player
Pitto too body him
As much as possible
I would bring in Motlop and Kennedy
Kennedy can be a very effective forward
Make Dow the Sub for extra run
If needed
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club29
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CK95 wrote:
Speaking of Mcgovern. Was that just cramp at the end?


With history of hamstrings and remembering that one he did in the last minute of a game year or two back I am very weary. He seemed to grab at it and hobbled to the next contest.
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SurreyBlue
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I doubt Vossy will change it up but I would play McGovern forward this week and throw the curve ball at Melbourne coaching staff.
He was our weakest link back last week and IMO, we don't need him back there this week.
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17th Premiership
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bluehammer wrote:
Drewgirl wrote:
Gawn will play though one would have thought. If he played with a fractured foot, geez he was good.
Hairline fracture, will play, but likely jabbed up.


Did he go into the match with this?
If so, he is obviously able to play damn well with it.
If not, did he get it right at the end?
If not, he is obviously able to play damn well with it.


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club29
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I reckon Mcgoverns attacking intent out of the backline will score us more goals that him forward. Just need others to get onboard. Get the old overlap going and the forward handpasses. Get the ball moving fast and angles and hold onto it for a pass or two before going inside 50. Scramble the defense. That has all but left our gamestyle since the St Kilda game. I know teams plan for us differently now but I still think we dont have to hang our hat entirely on contests, slow ball movement and locking inside 50. We are getting better at grafting out wins that way but feel we need another mode.
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jake_h03
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rhino27 wrote:
london blue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Motlop into the 22 for Martin and Boyd or Fisher into defence. I'd play McGovern forward in place of Harry. Beautiful finisher, can leap to bring the ball to ground and would keep Lever occupied.
We'll be too tall in defence this week with Marchbank, Weitering, Kemp and McGovern. Melbourne will load up on smalls IMHO.
I'm probably inclined to bring in Boyd because we need his ball use out of defence. 4 goals from us bringing the ball out and turning it over is abysmal. We kept them in the contest.

Kemp Weitering Boyd
Newman Marchbank Saad
Acres Cripps Docherty
Fogarty McGovern Cottrell
Cuningham Charlie Owies

Pitto, Cerra Walsh

I/C Cincotta TDK Hewett Motlop (Sub- Any of Kennedy/Jack/Dow)

Like idea of Boyd in and McGovern forward given Melbourne’s likely set up

Concern over Motlop, don’t think he is physically ready


If the plan is to throw Gov forward, I'd favour Fisher over Boyd. Will provide more run and carry and will be prepared to take the high risk/high reward kick and will come off a lot more than not. I know potentially only one other person will agree with me, but that's the way I'd go.


Am I the only other person? Cause I'm with you on Fisher. We're desperately lacking some creativity off half back and seem to have resorted back to long bombs down the line. May and Lever will have a field day if we continue with that tactic, especially with Harry out. We need be far more creative with our ball movement and look to change angles and break lines. Fish averaged 27 touches at close to 80% over the 4 weeks in this role.

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I love when McGovern bites off a risky kick from the backline, high risk, high reward.

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SurreyBlue
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Blue Vain wrote:
Motlop into the 22 for Martin and Boyd or Fisher into defence. I'd play McGovern forward in place of Harry. Beautiful finisher, can leap to bring the ball to ground and would keep Lever occupied.
We'll be too tall in defence this week with Marchbank, Weitering, Kemp and McGovern. Melbourne will load up on smalls IMHO.
I'm probably inclined to bring in Boyd because we need his ball use out of defence. 4 goals from us bringing the ball out and turning it over is abysmal. We kept them in the contest.

Kemp Weitering Boyd
Newman Marchbank Saad
Acres Cripps Docherty
Fogarty McGovern Cottrell
Cuningham Charlie Owies

Pitto, Cerra Walsh

I/C Cincotta TDK Hewett Motlop (Sub- Any of Kennedy/Jack/Dow)



SurreyBlue wrote:
I doubt Vossy will change it up but I would play McGovern forward this week and throw the curve ball at Melbourne coaching staff.
He was our weakest link back last week and IMO, we don't need him back there this week.


Sorry BV - I didn't read the previous posts. The fact I agree with you again is probably starting to scare you. :razz:
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17th Premiership
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In his interview with Whateley this morning, Cripps mentioned that we are revisiting how we move the ball forward as part of our review of the weekend and prep for Fri.
This gives me confidence- it’s the part of our game that has been missing. We need to put a score on the board to challenge Melbourne how are good at defending but will struggle to score.
Their plan will be to keep us contained.


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london blue
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2023 2:20 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Lever and May are pivotal to their chances
Put Cottrell on Lever. Cottrell is in form and has the habit of kicking a couple like last Friday
When DeKoning is resting down forward provide a contest and put body on May who clearly will get Charlie
If you nullify one of these players it’s game over
Our mids bat deeper
Our defence will shit over their forwards
Gawn is a fantastic player
Pitto too body him
As much as possible
I would bring in Motlop and Kennedy
Kennedy can be a very effective forward
Make Dow the Sub for extra run
If needed

Keogh, we’ll miss Jack Martin toughness this week
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SurreyBlue
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17th Premiership wrote:
In his interview with Whateley this morning, Cripps mentioned that we are revisiting how we move the ball forward as part of our review of the weekend and prep for Fri.
This gives me confidence- it’s the part of our game that has been missing. We need to put a score on the board to challenge Melbourne how are good at defending but will struggle to score.
Their plan will be to keep us contained.


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Too many long bombs against Melbourne and IMO, we didn't create enough space. I'm sure Sydney clamped down on us but I felt we didn't run to create the space or area enough as well. Happy to hear this!!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2023 2:30 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
CK95 wrote:
Wojee wrote:
Coming on so late did him no favours on Friday night as he was unprepared for the intensity and had no opportunity to catch up to the speed/pressure of finals footy.



A small specialist forward is a bit of a weird choice as sub IMO. We would have been better off with more of a generalist like Dow or Hollands who could get into the play a bit more.

Same.

In hindsight, it telegraphed Jack & Charlie moving behind the ball at the end of the game - which, for mine, was/is a really good ‘save the game’ set up. Win ball, boot f*ckery, get it out the back, score or deep forward stoppage. Obviously, it wasn’t drawn up with Harry out of the game.

I think you’re spot on about the generalist. Hollands has the wheels to get out the back in that scenario… I suppose Fisher would as well… Kennedy or Dow would at least allow someone like Cottrell to be that guy.

Fair play to Jesse though. He’s come on in leaps & bounds this season.


Actually I thought Motlop sub was to allow the likes of Walsh, Fogarty and Cuningham to push up into the midfield.
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rhino27
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jake_h03 wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
london blue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Motlop into the 22 for Martin and Boyd or Fisher into defence. I'd play McGovern forward in place of Harry. Beautiful finisher, can leap to bring the ball to ground and would keep Lever occupied.
We'll be too tall in defence this week with Marchbank, Weitering, Kemp and McGovern. Melbourne will load up on smalls IMHO.
I'm probably inclined to bring in Boyd because we need his ball use out of defence. 4 goals from us bringing the ball out and turning it over is abysmal. We kept them in the contest.

Kemp Weitering Boyd
Newman Marchbank Saad
Acres Cripps Docherty
Fogarty McGovern Cottrell
Cuningham Charlie Owies

Pitto, Cerra Walsh

I/C Cincotta TDK Hewett Motlop (Sub- Any of Kennedy/Jack/Dow)

Like idea of Boyd in and McGovern forward given Melbourne’s likely set up

Concern over Motlop, don’t think he is physically ready


If the plan is to throw Gov forward, I'd favour Fisher over Boyd. Will provide more run and carry and will be prepared to take the high risk/high reward kick and will come off a lot more than not. I know potentially only one other person will agree with me, but that's the way I'd go.


Am I the only other person? Cause I'm with you on Fisher. We're desperately lacking some creativity off half back and seem to have resorted back to long bombs down the line. May and Lever will have a field day if we continue with that tactic, especially with Harry out. We need be far more creative with our ball movement and look to change angles and break lines. Fish averaged 27 touches at close to 80% over the 4 weeks in this role.


Yes you are Jake!
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79Vintage
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After listening to the Sam Walsh interview yesterday, feeling more bullish this week. Sam was all business. I reckon we can run over the top of the Dees, just think we match up well. And I think we can cover our outs more than them. And I like the comment from Voss when he said teams don't win Grand Finals, rather squads do.

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london blue wrote:
keogh wrote:
Lever and May are pivotal to their chances
Put Cottrell on Lever. Cottrell is in form and has the habit of kicking a couple like last Friday
When DeKoning is resting down forward provide a contest and put body on May who clearly will get Charlie
If you nullify one of these players it’s game over
Our mids bat deeper
Our defence will shit over their forwards
Gawn is a fantastic player
Pitto too body him
As much as possible
I would bring in Motlop and Kennedy
Kennedy can be a very effective forward
Make Dow the Sub for extra run
If needed

Keogh, we’ll miss Jack Martin toughness this week


Not wrong.

Martin goes where angels fear to tread.
Like Vossy says, our toughest player.
Will be missed immensely

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