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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:35 am 
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Not sure what all the worrying is about this morning.
We're in the finals, if we lose then we will be better for it next year.
I trust Voss and co know exactly what they are doing and the respective match ups.
It will be a very very tough game.
If Acres is good to go I reckon the sub will be Dow, he has speed and has been good in the contested game.
I'd like to see Motlop play but can't see who he'd replace, maybe Cunners?
If we have to play Hollands or Fisher it'll be to our detriment, both too light and Sydney will come out hard.
If Acres is still sore, I'd prefer if they gave him an injection and put him on, he'd still have more impact, even if he kicked 3 OOB.



next year isn't a given - to have our whole list healthy right now is a boom. our last 10 years without finals is proof how hard finals are to make. and to come into these finals with no real clear favourite to win it all.

this might be the best chance we ever have with cripps as captain to grab number 17,


(motlop needs to replace marchbank. we don't need another tall defender)


I get the fear, but our team is young, Voss is a really good coach and our football department is good also and we have stability at the club for the first time in decades.
Plus the fact we are in the finals at 5th, we will have more talent wanting to come to the club furthering our chances.
For me this is the start, not like last time with Band-aid solutions and sacking coaches at a whim.
Different times, different club.
We've finally caught up to modern football and its management.

The biggest thing for me tonight is Sydney were grand finalists last year and they know what to expect, they'll be prepared and tough.
And we are poor in our scoring from turnovers and they are really good at it but poor in their scoring from contests and we are number 1.
That's why I think Dow will be the sub.
Either way it should be a great game.

As for Marchbank, you can't replace the 7th defender on the bench with a forward.
And Doc needs to be on the wing.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:39 am 
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I suspect there is a bit too much weight given to Champion Data stats re our scores from turnover.
Yes, we are a contested team but at our best we win the contest and keep the ball moving forward at great speed with overlap run. We might not start that with a direct turnover but we do stop other teams in their tracks, cause a stoppage and then brutalise it from there.

Voss knows what he’s doing. Just like McRae did last night too - despite all the complaints from Collingwood supporters before the game about Cox and dropping Noble.

It’s not like we don’t have any small forwards, we do.
It’s not like Marchbank can only play as a tall defender - he can run all day.
Heeney ‘beat’ Cripps last time when Cripps was clearly out of form or injured and even then, they actually broke even. Yes, he kept him to 19 possessions but Heeney played out of his skin and Crippa was at his lowest. I wish they put Heeney on Cripps tonight - Crippa will be best on ground.

After the last 3 months, and having the opportunity to test every player on the list and see them at their best, and given Voss’ finals credentials, I’m gonna back his choices over anyone on this site (and most commentators too).

We may not win but one thing I believe - there is no more formidable finals leadership combination than Voss and Cripps right now. I have confidence they will give us our best shot from team selection, to game plan, to execution on the field.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:59 am 
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Yep, very excited to see Cripps in a final and I hope he gets to play many, many more.

I'm not too nervous, yet.

Just hope we make a decent start and don't end up having to chase the game. We need to come out with elite pressure and make the most of our strengths.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:10 am 
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This. See above post.

Feel calm and ready.
Been waiting a bit for it... :grin:

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:11 am 
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We need seven defenders in the team and the seventh spot was between Boyd, Fisher and Marchbank. I think everyone agrees that Fisher is nit the guy we want in defence during a final, so it came down to Boyd vs Marchbank, and I reckon it was lineball but maybe Marchbank being in the team the last few weeks tipped the scales.

Marchbank can play tall or small and is a great intercept mark. Agree Boyd has better disposal but overall I am happy with Marchbank in the team.

With Acres, Cripps, Docherty, Cerra, Walsh and Hewett we have plenty of onball power, even if one goes down, so I think it will be Motlop as sub to add spark later in the game. Cuningham and Fogarty can also have a run onball later in the game. I don’t think Dow will make a huge difference being subbed in vs Motlop.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:14 am 
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Boyd does have a bit more mongrel that Marchbank though.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:17 am 
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Not advocating for Fisher after his performance against the Giants but playing devil's advocate, he would provide a lot more run and carry than the other 2 mentioned.
Yes they can both provide some but Fisher is better than the two of them at that. With Newman likely going to be preoccupied with trying to curb Papley thereby limiting his run it leaves Saad. Pretty much like during our losing streak and the opposition would sit on him limiting his influence and leaving us with very little run and carry out of the backline. As well as going in with no real crumbing forward, this is my biggest concern.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:20 am 
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and boyd offers cleaner disposal and better pace/ chase down ability (which has been our dna over the win streak) than what marchbank provides.

marchbank's direct opponent last year Vs the dees was Kozzie when he kicked the gamewinner. caleb just isn't effective on the other team's smalls.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:22 am 
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rhino27 wrote:
Not advocating for Fisher after his performance against the Giants but playing devil's advocate, he would provide a lot more run and carry than the other 2 mentioned.
Yes they can both provide some but Fisher is better than the two of them at that. With Newman likely going to be preoccupied with trying to curb Papley thereby limiting his run it leaves Saad. Pretty much like during our losing streak and the opposition would sit on him limiting his influence and leaving us with very little run and carry out of the backline. As well as going in with no real crumbing forward, this is my biggest concern.


I agree fisher is better at run and carry, but that’s all he’s better at, he’s too one dimensional and will get found out in all other situations.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:24 am 
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Braithy wrote:
and boyd offers cleaner disposal and better pace/ chase down ability (which has been our dna over the win streak) than what marchbank provides.

marchbank's direct opponent last year Vs the dees was Kozzie when he kicked the gamewinner. caleb just isn't effective on the other team's smalls.


And Marchbank offers cleaner intercept marking. Like I said, it’s a line ball, but both Boyd and Marchbank are good defenders and I would have been happy with either.

If they chose Boyd we’d all be worried that he was underdone.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:31 am 
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sinbagger wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
Not advocating for Fisher after his performance against the Giants but playing devil's advocate, he would provide a lot more run and carry than the other 2 mentioned.
Yes they can both provide some but Fisher is better than the two of them at that. With Newman likely going to be preoccupied with trying to curb Papley thereby limiting his run it leaves Saad. Pretty much like during our losing streak and the opposition would sit on him limiting his influence and leaving us with very little run and carry out of the backline. As well as going in with no real crumbing forward, this is my biggest concern.


I agree fisher is better at run and carry, but that’s all he’s better at, he’s too one dimensional and will get found out in all other situations.


Agree with that too.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:34 am 
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sinbagger wrote:
Braithy wrote:
and boyd offers cleaner disposal and better pace/ chase down ability (which has been our dna over the win streak) than what marchbank provides.

marchbank's direct opponent last year Vs the dees was Kozzie when he kicked the gamewinner. caleb just isn't effective on the other team's smalls.


And Marchbank offers cleaner intercept marking. Like I said, it’s a line ball, but both Boyd and Marchbank are good defenders and I would have been happy with either.

If they chose Boyd we’d all be worried that he was underdone.


Bit like playing 2 rucks v 1, everything carries risk and depends which risk we are prepared to take. Yes Marchy offers better intercept marking but if this wind doesn't die down significantly not sure there'll be much marking taking place.
Boyd is underdone but probably better at ground level and quicker and a better kick too.
Depends which lever you want to pull. Voss and the MC have made their decision as they have in not having a genuine crumbing forward on a windy and potentially wet night. Lets hope they have made the right call on both counts.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:36 am 
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I have a bit of a logistical mission actually getting to the ground tonight & getting seats, so I haven't really had the chance to start stressing about the game itself :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:45 am 
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sinbagger wrote:
Braithy wrote:
and boyd offers cleaner disposal and better pace/ chase down ability (which has been our dna over the win streak) than what marchbank provides.

marchbank's direct opponent last year Vs the dees was Kozzie when he kicked the gamewinner. caleb just isn't effective on the other team's smalls.


And Marchbank offers cleaner intercept marking. Like I said, it’s a line ball, but both Boyd and Marchbank are good defenders and I would have been happy with either.

If they chose Boyd we’d all be worried that he was underdone.



we already have weitering #2 in the comp, kemp and gov doing that.

from specific team balance POV, boyd makes us better by offering things we don't already have an abundance on. but you're right, we'd worry that he needed a game under his belt to get back to where he was. i'd still take that over CM


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winds decreasing to 25 to 40 km/h in the late afternoon.


Forecast not sounding too good.

Leaving out motlop makes me nervous - will feel better at least if he is the sub.

I also feel a bit nervous about what to expect from McKay.

Feeling nervous


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:50 am 
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None of our emerg are playing in the scratch match atm

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:54 am 
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Bluey44 wrote:
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winds decreasing to 25 to 40 km/h in the late afternoon.


Forecast not sounding too good.

Leaving out motlop makes me nervous - will feel better at least if he is the sub.

I also feel a bit nervous about what to expect from McKay.

Feeling nervous


Am kinda are hoping the wind blows his kicks straight.

Have said it enough times, agree with Motlop. If he is sub and things aren't working, hope we call it early enough and not wait till the last in case of an injury.


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Am kinda are hoping the wind blows his kicks straight.




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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:58 am 
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Watching last nights game just proved to me again that there are NO standouts. We can beat either of those sides.

With Melbourne losing, the draw opens up for us if we can win tonight. Tonight is huge. Win this and the confidence will take us a long way


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 11:03 am 
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I reckon Newman will start on Heeney who I believe will play forward. I think it will be Mills who goes to Cripps.
And with Papley just recovering from a hammy, I’d sic Saad onto him to stop him and then run off him.
I think Dow provides more value as a mid-third quarter sub than Motlop but happy either way.
I think Fishers performance under the pressure of GWS may have spooked Voss - that level of pressure is going to be evident from the first bounce.


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