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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 3:10 pm 
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Its not just one post BV.
Hence why I asked the question but didn't respond to. You may have missed it.

Its the culmination of a lot of posts over the last week whilst I was away just reading gives the impression you don't want Harry.
So many stats presented to "prove" Harry is useless, telling us what he doesn't do, and he doesn't care, gets in Charlies way, doesn't have the heart, and so on.
Don't be offended. Its an assumption from my part. But, its a picture you draw with words.


You're in battle mode for the game obviously. :lol:
That's just more of the same.
I haven't said Harry doesn't care. I haven't said Harry is useless and I don't provide stats with an intention to prove it.
Harry cares. The torment he went through earlier in the season proves he cares a lot.
I said he can jump because he jumps all over Charlie. In context of stating he should be able to jump at the centre bounce as well. I can provide instances if you want of him jumping into and cleaning up Charlie on numerous occasions.

The stats I present are not intended to "prove Harry is useless". They are stats to add context to other selective Stats provided. Posters are telling us how many games we win with Harry in the team. They don't tell us how many we win without him.
They tell us Charlie kicks goals because Harry is getting his marks outside 50. They don't tell us Charlie gets more marks outside 50 than Harry.
They tell us Harry takes more marks down the line than anyone in the game. The reality is Max Gawn takes the most marks between the arcs. Do you know who is 2nd in the AFL? Charlie Curnow.
So read the context.
Nothing annoys me more than posters misrepresenting me. The theory that posters have some form of hate for players when they question their current value is nonsense. I would have thought you'd be the first to recognise that with your recent LOB exchanges.
I don't have any hate for Harry. He frustrates the hell out of me but I've stated numerous times that nothing would make me happier than to see him contribute significantly to our finals run.


I am in battle mode. I live in Sydney. Its me against them, and this is the best chance we've had against these ducks for a long time.

Hey I'm only pointing out what I've read, and I think you will find your posts have questioned Harry's value to the team, regardless how much you deny it, and used the words I mentioned because he frustrates you, but typically you have picked out the word "useless" which I didn't say you used it, but I used it to describe my conclusion of Harry's value according to BV based on all your arguments and stats to argue with Sydney Blue, all because you want Harry as the 2nd ruck. I didn't say you said he was useless. Now go have a look at your posts again.

Maybe you are misrepresenting yourself because you definitely are misrepresenting my post.

As for the LOB exchanges, all I did was share what the reasoning to consider LOB for delisting or trade and some of his supporters didn't like that. Nothing to do with hate. LOB has fallen behind the pecking order. That's a fact some didn't want to hear. The discussion was about list management not hate. And we will see what happens there. I might be right about that.

Remember you were the one who stated Doc is playing his way out of the team when you meant to say he is playing his way out of your team. You have the knack of presenting your opinion as fact and then deny doing it, but the post is indelible, and you're actually misrepresenting yourself. Now you're suggesting the word "hate" is the central theme, when its not. Remember me calling this type of argument a "deflection" from the facts? You're doing it again. I find deflection annoying; its what politicians do.

Just drop it and we can all agree with your line "He frustrates the hell out of me (sometimes) ... nothing would make me happier than to see him contribute significantly to our finals run (and help us win the Cup)".

Lets go Harry Lets go.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 3:13 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 3:21 pm 
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Obnoxious? There's 2 sides playing. When comparing the 2 teams game plan and personnel they both have strengths. You seem to look at the oppositions strengths, ignore ours and you shit yourself. We have too many strengths over them to lose. We will not go into the game half hearted, and did I mention both losses against Swans THIS year were in Sydney and this week its at the G with 65,000 Carlton supporters to motivate them as the 24th man.

Now what do you think?



obnoxious is saying we have them covered when we clearly don't and we haven't had them covered in many years, as our W/L record indicates.

they're the number one getting turnover team and the number one scoring from turnover team in the entire AFL; and we're the 15th ranked scoring from turnover team. and the 3rd highest giving up turnovers.

therefore if we turn it over, we will be eaten alive.

our strength is the contest. and the wet will help that, but more than the wet will be picking a team top heavy with pressure players - like we were forced to thru injury this season.


lol i'm not shitting myself, just like you're not fooling anyone with your loud bravado act that we just have to turn up and we'll smoke them.


fact is we played two seasons this year. one was slow, poor execution and very lacking of fundamental skills; the other was high pressure and fast.

can we play high pressure enough to the beat the ducks, if we pick a big, lumbering team that takes away from our run and carry? i can't wait to find out.


pies went big for tonight, when i wouldn't have ... lets see how they get on.


Look at the teams tonight and look at the key personnel missing from Swans GF team:

FF Franklin
CHF Reid
FB McCartin

Its not bravado. Its a different year and a different segment of the season.
I make more money in friendly bets with carlton fans than any other.
Its not bravado. Do you want to make a friendly bet on the game?

I never said we just have to turn up and we will smoke them. Never.
I gave you facts why we will win, you should have kept them in your quote to refer to.
Our style of play is different to what was displayed earlier in the season =which I described as "stop-start".
I said if we bring our contested game, our brand, and we will because of the 24th player and the hurt from missing last year etc we will win.

Come on braithy, I'm just trying to give you reasons why will win, coz you do not have as much faith in the new Carlton of the last 10 weeks as I do. The past is the past.

Just because we pick 2 rucks or Pitto over SOS you define us as lumbering. That's not the case. WE still have running machines all over the park, more than Swans do, and I pointed them out. The only lumbering player is Pitto, and you think with the addition of Pitto we are lumbering. One player out of 23 makes that much difference? Get a grip. We stopped playing the stop start game and started contesting and connecting and played Selfless footy. That hasnt gone anywhere. We have momentum and know what works for us. I have complete faiuth and trust in this group. You don't. Not trying to fool anyone.

Do you really think we wont turn up? Does anyone?

We will turn the tables on the Swans and I will look forward put the Pluck a Duck poster outside my house this arvo.

Obnoxious. Loud Bravado. Fooling people. Geez I thought you liked me only a couple weeks ago. You're sound really sour with me. oh well. You'll smile tomorrow.



lol ... just bcos i don't agree with much of what you say doesn't mean i don't like you. it's not personal.



the highlighted bit: we went back to our shells Vs Giants and lost handily.



i don't know if we'll turn up. rookie coach for the finals with a rookie finals team. no one really knows if the occasion will be too much. no one knows if all those narrow losses in front of big crowds primed us for finals footy.

we will find out. if we have just one player under 100%, that will be enough to lose to the swans who will be hunting us.


I'm not sure, but I haven't heard your take about our last game.

We rested players and blitzed the Giants till Charlie got 2 in a row in the first quarter, and it seems we put in the rack after that, because there was nothing else we could achieve after that, other than injury.

Even the media aren't taking that game serious, and I'm constantly reading something along the lines of " Can't take much out of the last game between Giants and Carlton. It was a game between a team that was fighting for a spot for the finals, and everything to lose, against a team who was fixed at 5th position win or lose, or nothing to lose.

There are Swans players who are not 100% fit. There is no Swans player good enough to beat Charlie or Harry one on one.
We have a powerful midfield fighting for spots in a team who can go all the way in this Finals series, with Kennedy, Dow and maybe Fogarty on the outer.

We will win this. Ive never been more confident in a win, and its not arrogance. I expect Swans to throw everything against us. They wont be a push over, but I think they will fade and the end margin might not be as close as some think.

Good luck to your team. I believe they win and I hope they do.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 3:22 pm 
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Can you two get a room


Bye

I'm going to a function. I'm wearing my Navy Blue tie.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 3:38 pm 
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the Umpires team is in :
Nicholls, Broadbent, Findlay and Mollison



Thankfully “The Cheat” has been allocated to another game.


Beat me to it. :thumbsup:



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 3:56 pm 
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The bad weather is going to make this game a nail biter. I might need a valium by the end of the game. :eek:

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 4:17 pm 
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I've been fine all week until today. Getting edgy now.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 4:37 pm 
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I respect Longmire & the Swans but when I look at our squad there is just too much for Sydney to worry about.

I'll be gutted if we don't win this

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 4:50 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
I respect Longmire & the Swans but when I look at our squad there is just too much for Sydney to worry about.

I'll be gutted if we don't win this



same. completely shattered. i'd also not be surprised if we laid an egg since that's all we've essentially done since 1999.


from team selection, to managing this energy and expectation, to opening bounce - and will go to hard outta the blocks & run ourselves into a standstill and fade away bcos we didn't handle the pressure and energy and expectations. playing against a team who know how to win and play finals.


tomorrow night is going to be wild. haha


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 4:55 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
I respect Longmire & the Swans but when I look at our squad there is just too much for Sydney to worry about.

I'll be gutted if we don't win this

Same.

I’m cautiously optimistic about handing them a touch up.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 4:55 pm 
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In a dog fight in bad conditions ... anything can happen. Thats the problem.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 5:24 pm 
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Not even slightly concerned about "wet" conditions.
MCG is on a par with Flemington being a superb surface.
Won't be a factor.

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been calm all week but can feel it building...Can't wait to see the boys run out tomorrow night.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 5:44 pm 
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Cherry Ripe wrote:
Not even slightly concerned about "wet" conditions.
MCG is on a par with Flemington being a superb surface.
Won't be a factor.

We play "our" game, minimum 30 point win.


I hope you are right. However, its not completely about greasy conditions ... its will be windy and hard to score.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 5:49 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
Cherry Ripe wrote:
Not even slightly concerned about "wet" conditions.
MCG is on a par with Flemington being a superb surface.
Won't be a factor.

We play "our" game, minimum 30 point win.


I hope you are right. However, its not completely about greasy conditions ... its will be windy and hard to score.


Not sure why you’d be worried. If poor conditions advantages anyone it’s us. We are the best stoppage team in the comp and best by a mile at scoring from stoppage. Poor conditions = more stoppage. We win.

Sydney is number 1 in the league for scoring from defensive 50. This becomes almost impossible to do in poor conditions. We win


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 5:53 pm 
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In short, a slog fest suits us. A high paced transition game shoot out suits them


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 6:23 pm 
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Fisher
Dow
Hollands
Durdin the 4 omitted.

Hmmmm.
Maybe the 4 smallest bodies.
Whack.


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In. Pittonet. Cripps. Docherty. Marchbank
Out. Fisher. Hollands. Durdin. Dow.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 6:24 pm 
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Marchbank over Motlop ? Ok interesting. And poor Dow being dropped again.

I dont like it.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 6:25 pm 
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Cripps Doc Pitto In. Marchbank elevated in to the team.

Dow Durdin Fisher Hollands out.

Dow Fisher Hollands Motlop emergencies.

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