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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 8:52 am 
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I noticed Big Bodies are the order for the Pies and Dees have bought in 2 big bodies too.
I'm guessing its to withstand all the bashing and crashing of bodies and a lot of ground ball.

I expect Carlton to do the same.

One more sleep.


I would but interetsing Voss on 360 said they hadn't even considered the weather when picking the side. Maybe he was just kidding?



the only part that i hated in the interview. the whole leaving no stone unturned bit, but not knowing or caring what the weather is???


Thats what you call "backing yourself in".

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 8:56 am 
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Mickstar wrote:
Braithy wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I noticed Big Bodies are the order for the Pies and Dees have bought in 2 big bodies too.
I'm guessing its to withstand all the bashing and crashing of bodies and a lot of ground ball.

I expect Carlton to do the same.

One more sleep.


I would but interetsing Voss on 360 said they hadn't even considered the weather when picking the side. Maybe he was just kidding?



the only part that i hated in the interview. the whole leaving no stone unturned bit, but not knowing or caring what the weather is???


Thats what you call "backing yourself in".



and if you lose, what's it called mick?

a lost opportunity? failure to attention the detail? etc


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 8:58 am 
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I don't know how you can draw that conclusion reading the post. :?

The post (like all the others I've made) state that my preference is to not play 2 rucks and 2 tall forwards. Hence why I prefer Jack plays ruck instead of Pitto. Hence why I believe we're better off playing Harry in the ruck instead of Pitto. Because the adaptability would offer enormous value to our structure.
If you're going to state that I "want it both ways", it's not really valid when you use incorrect assumptions to do it.


Its not just one post BV.
Hence why I asked the question but didn't respond to. You may have missed it.

Its the culmination of a lot of posts over the last week whilst I was away just reading gives the impression you don't want Harry.
So many stats presented to "prove" Harry is useless, telling us what he doesn't do, and he doesn't care, gets in Charlies way, doesn't have the heart, and so on.
Don't be offended. Its an assumption from my part. But, its a picture you draw with words.
I couldn't work out where you sat with Harry for this game, but it was clear to me you weren't a fan, and assumed your position to be Harry if isnt going to play 2nd ruck he was useless to your team.

Glad you responded and explained because I value your opinion and I assume now its just a Pitto vs Silvagni debate.

You have to accept that if Vossy decides not to "sacrifice" his only CHF Harry in he ruck (outside the forward line), doesn't mean he's wrong, or anyone else is holding the same position.

2 rucks are insurance. One might be a sub, and a break glass option. SOS isn't playing. So who other than Harry will play 2nd ruck if we go in with one ruck?

We have a 4 week campaign ahead of us. The weather will improve as will our boys the more they play. We have to pick the team to win each week. We can keep winning with the right attitude without the need to risk our 2 bonafide KPF's in the first week. Hey, in a Prelim or GF we may "have to". That's another story.

We will all be supporting our team tomorrow night 100%. I've been told I am a very very loud supporter. I can't hear well. I'm rock n roll deaf. So if you hear a very loud supporter, it could be me, joining you with gusto.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 9:07 am 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I noticed Big Bodies are the order for the Pies and Dees have bought in 2 big bodies too.
I'm guessing its to withstand all the bashing and crashing of bodies and a lot of ground ball.

I expect Carlton to do the same.

One more sleep.


I would but interetsing Voss on 360 said they hadn't even considered the weather when picking the side. Maybe he was just kidding?


I don't think he's kidding. I think he's being pragmatic.

I believe when he says he will pick the best team to play the Swans, at that stage of the week (which was Monday), given the weather forecast can change between the interview and the game. That it. Then he will wait to see what the conditions really closer to the game, before factoring the weather. Nothing wrong with that. He can make changes, using the named emergencies one hour before the game. That's when the games can start. Vossy is a smart guy. Finals is his caper.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 9:17 am 
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Acres fit to play. Pittonet to play. - Voss


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 9:19 am 
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Getting more nervous about this as it gets closer.
I do think I'm happy we're playing Sydney instead of the Dogs (or GWS/St Kilda/Adelaide), but they're still a pretty hardened team with plenty of finals experience.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 9:25 am 
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Braithy wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Braithy wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I noticed Big Bodies are the order for the Pies and Dees have bought in 2 big bodies too.
I'm guessing its to withstand all the bashing and crashing of bodies and a lot of ground ball.

I expect Carlton to do the same.

One more sleep.


I would but interetsing Voss on 360 said they hadn't even considered the weather when picking the side. Maybe he was just kidding?



the only part that i hated in the interview. the whole leaving no stone unturned bit, but not knowing or caring what the weather is???


Thats what you call "backing yourself in".



and if you lose, what's it called mick?

a lost opportunity? failure to attention the detail? etc


How are you going Breathy ? your in good form pal . If we lose ? not even entertaining that myself . And i don't reckon Voss is either . I think Sydney are a very good intercept marking side and i reckon that is front and centre in Voss's thinking . So no , i reckon thats where he see's there strength and he is hoping to derail that facet of there game . But , its all conjecture isn't it Breathy . Got to have courage in your convictions or you wouldn't be a Coach hence i say back yourself in . Having sid that i am sure he has a number of contingency plans .

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 9:30 am 
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Acres fit to play. Pittonet to play. - Voss


Acres is huge news. He's becoming incredibly important to the way we play and has a body built for finals. He's listed at 193cm and 92kg. That's almost Cripps size but with far better running power

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 9:31 am 
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jake_h03 wrote:
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Acres fit to play. Pittonet to play. - Voss


Acres is huge news. He's becoming incredibly important to the way we play and has a body built for finals. He's listed at 193cm and 92kg. That's almost Cripps size but with far better running power


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Sorry . Braithy , its that auto correct spelling thingo . Technology gets me .

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 9:35 am 
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With the wet and windy conditions forecast I'd like to see Fogarty in the side.
Not confident about how Cunningham would perform in a tight scrappy contest.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 9:46 am 
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With the wet and windy conditions forecast I'd like to see Fogarty in the side.
Not confident about how Cunningham would perform in a tight scrappy contest.


I'd drop either for Chugga

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 9:54 am 
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Braithy wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I noticed Big Bodies are the order for the Pies and Dees have bought in 2 big bodies too.
I'm guessing its to withstand all the bashing and crashing of bodies and a lot of ground ball.

I expect Carlton to do the same.

One more sleep.


I would but interetsing Voss on 360 said they hadn't even considered the weather when picking the side. Maybe he was just kidding?



the only part that i hated in the interview. the whole leaving no stone unturned bit, but not knowing or caring what the weather is???



Come on braithy. Are you serious?

Do you think Vossy doesnt think about ALL the things we discuss and multiply that by 100 given the information he is privy to and we are not?

We are just passengers, not "know it alls". Have to give Vossy more respect than that. He doesn't have to tell 360 anything which could help the opposition.

We almost know what Vossy will do. He's been consistent at the selection table, and he HAS tried a lot of things, when injury, suspension or form happen; not just last game.

Have they got us covered? Nope.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 9:55 am 
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I would put my money on the following:

Vossy will target a Swans player and torment them verbally and physically. A play maker.
Vossy will have big bodies smashing into the contest to wear the down the opposition in a game of attrition.
Vossy will have 2 KPF targets and they will spread and stretch the Swans short defense to breakdown their Team defense mantra.
Vossy will have Pitto as his first ruck to nullify the tap and wear down Hickey and McLean, and smash a few mids, as he does every game (its all he does).
Vossy will have TDK rucking later in quarters to jump over the opposition, run off them and be a spare around the ground.
Vossy will have 2 defenders playing very close to their main goal kickers, Papley and Heeney, at all times.
Vossy will have a plan to combat the Saad tag.

No one from Swans can keep up with Cerra and Walsh, and they are huge defensive runners, as is Hewett.

We got them covered. Yes

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 10:00 am 
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jake_h03 wrote:
Humpers wrote:
With the wet and windy conditions forecast I'd like to see Fogarty in the side.
Not confident about how Cunningham would perform in a tight scrappy contest.


I'd drop either for Chugga
Agree, Chugga is a proven Mudder


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 10:05 am 
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AFL.com

Patrick Cripps, Sam Docherty and Marc Pittonet to return for Carlton this week.

Jesse Motlop also set to come back, with Corey Durdin not among the 26 on the track this morning. The Blues strongly considering Caleb Marchbank as the seventh defender.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 10:05 am 
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So curious to see the team selection. This is the most players we've had available all year, and with a lot of guys performing who probably weren't really in calculations at the start of the year (Dow, Cincotta, Cuningham, Fogarty, Marchbank, Hollands, Kemp), it's going to be interesting to see who the MC goes with. After all the weeks of selection debate on here, we're finally going to get a look at what Vossy sees as our best 22.

Do they go with one ruck or two? This is probably the only decision that is still compromised with JSOS being out. I imagine they'll go with 2 rucks, rightly or wrongly.

Who do they choose between Kemp and Marchbank? Or do they go with both and drop a small?

Who misses out of Cincotta, Fisher, Boyd? Or do two miss to allow for Doc to shuffle back and enable an extra mid? Do all 3 miss to make way for Kemp and Marchbank to both play?

Has Dow done enough to hold his spot as an extra midfielder who can provide a point of difference in the centre square or does the returning cavalry push him out? We might see whether Voss really rates him or not.

Will they pick Kennedy despite missing the past 2 months? Do they rate his toughness that highly? Are they happy to have Kennedy Cripps and Hewett in the same side?

What mix do they like for the wing and high half forwards? All of Hollands, Cottrell, Cuningham, Fogarty, Motlop, Durdin could all conceivably be picked or dropped depending on other selections and team balance. I'd say Motlop will come in for Durdin, and I think Cotrell will be picked, but the rest who knows?

Still so many variables on the eve of finals.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 10:09 am 
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Training now squad of 26 out there

No Durdin. Marchbank out there as is squad from last game. Ed Curnow out there as well


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 10:12 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
I would put my money on the following:

Vossy will target a Swans player and torment them verbally and physically. A play maker.
Vossy will have big bodies smashing into the contest to wear the down the opposition in a game of attrition.
Vossy will have 2 KPF targets and they will spread and stretch the Swans short defense to breakdown their Team defense mantra.
Vossy will have Pitto as his first ruck to nullify the tap and wear down Hickey and McLean, and smash a few mids, as he does every game (its all he does).
Vossy will have TDK rucking later in quarters to jump over the opposition, run off them and be a spare around the ground.
Vossy will have 2 defenders playing very close to their main goal kickers, Papley and Heeney, at all times.
Vossy will have a plan to combat the Saad tag.

No one from Swans can keep up with Cerra and Walsh, and they are huge defensive runners, as is Hewett.

We got them covered. Yes


All of that . Very good Bondi ................... Heaney and Warner are gonna cop heat . Pitto the " Attack Dog " in the Shane Mumford style .

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 10:13 am 
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The Blues strongly considering Caleb Marchbank as the seventh defender.


Thanks Farmer :thumbsup: Fkn Finals....sooooo exciting for Bluebaggers, with snoops on every corner.

Vossy loves Marchy. I love Marchy.
Russell has been nursing him back in time for Finals.
Very versatile player and isn't a bad kick like some suggest. Great athlete.

Has been a bit fumble, but only a bit. Has good attributes for the team. Lets hope his form keeps improving.

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