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this wait is killing me. killing me.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2023 4:17 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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FWIW, the Champion Data guy agrees with BV. H just needs to ruck for 5 min a quarter. Let TDK do the rest of the work.
I'm not as convinced myself, so lets see what the selectors come up with.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/09/05/ ... g-carlton/

Hoyne says the Blues should stick with that mix, saying Tom De Koning has had an excellent six weeks in the ruck.

“I just want to put this on the agenda for Carlton supporters as well,” he said.

“His best position, the last six weeks, he is clearly a ruckman. He is not a forward.

“I would not be playing Pittonet. I would be keeping this really simple. Let this guy go.

“As a ruckman over the last six weeks he’s been the eighth best ruckman in the competition. As a forward, sixth worst forward in the competition.

“Just put Harry McKay in the ruck for five minutes per quarter. The second ruck role, we talk about it a lot, it’s 20 minutes a game. Don’t lose sleep over it.”

This is an enormous swing in two months, with Hoyne saying mid-season that Pittonet statistically was a significantly better ruckman than De Koning. The young Blue has clearly broken out since re-signing.


I was just about to post this.

The concept is what Farmer and BV have supported for a while.
Having said BV and Braithy have also suggested dropping Harry, and Farmer raised the question too given the wet.
You can't have it both ways, but point made.


I said to drop Harry? :?


I asked you in a post above if I'm reading your post correctly because that's what it alluded to. Have a look. The by all means clarify.

Ive quoted the post below.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2023 4:20 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
diesel95 wrote:
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Career stats
Charlie 107 games 221 goals
Harry 105 games 201 goals

Charlie is regarded as the best forward in the comp
Harry is not far behind him based on those numbers


Brendan Fevola. 204 games 623 goals.
But that doesn't mean we'll select him next week. You know as well as anyone Syd, selection is based on your form. Not what you did 5 years ago.
Harry needs to offer more than he currently does. Not necessarily to hold his spot but to assist the team to succeed. That's what we all want. To see every player at their best, helping to bring team success.


Harry’s fourth quarter efforts are sometimes game saving for us. Wasn’t last week or the week before but he’s capable of dominating our transition game from goal square kick outs.


And yet Charlie takes as many marks outside 50 as Harry does. :?
He also leads the AFL for goals, is top 5 for contested marks, marks inside 50, score involvements, offensive 1 on 1 wins etc.
Adaptable, versatile.That's his value.
No one disputes Harry's potential but we have too many 1 dimensional talls. He's one of them. That's why Jack get's a game. He's not as tall or skilful as the rucks but he can adequately perform other roles. If Harry could also do it, he'd offer enormous value to us.


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I've been reading the posts in amazement whilst up in FNQ, and I like the debate, but am I reading this last post right? Harry out SOS in?


This post

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2023 4:26 pm 
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london blue had lunch with Carlton aristocracy and Carlton tragics. I hope he shares what he heard today.

Interesting.

Here's one: Durdin out because he gets in Charlies way, no mention that Harry does, and another....leave Harry as a CHF, not in the ruck.

Pitto debated like here on TC. Conjecture.

Can't see Vossy dropping the carnage creator Pitto. He paves the way for TDK to do some jumping late in quarters.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2023 4:27 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
this wait is killing me. killing me.
... are we there yet?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2023 4:29 pm 
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GMCbris wrote:
Braithy wrote:
this wait is killing me. killing me.
... are we there yet?



by friday night, i'll be ready to run through a brickwall with all this displaced energy this wait has created :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2023 8:04 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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Nothing surer than Harry rucking the boundary throw in's in the forward fifty . Don't know which games you guys are watching coz he has performed that role many times and done very well .


Does it very well? Averages less than 1 hit-out per game Mick. :|
Compare that to Tom Hawkins who averages more than 3 per game and creates numerous goals from his ruck contests.

I know Harry rucks the forward 50 occasionally but TDK needs a breather every quarter. The coaches only required Harry to compete for 5-minutes per quarter in the ruck last week. Surely that's not too big an ask. If it's good enough for Lewis Young or a 194cm Jack Silvagni to give it a decent crack, I don't see why a 204cm player cant make the sacrifice.

But it appears that ship has sailed. IMHO, it was the coaches giving Harry an opportunity as well. It was saying "you may be struggling for form/confidence but here's an opportunity for you to get into the game and add extra value".
But it appears they'll look at other options now. IMHO, it was worth the time to try. Let's hope Harry get's his form back up forward because we need him up and firing.

Whatever the case, whichever team they pick, I'll be there giving 100% support. :thumbsup:


figure it was 80% resting Pitto for finals, 15% can we play with TDK as primary ruck with H in support if we need to and 5% giving H an opportunity to get himself into some form. and dead rubber obviously.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2023 8:42 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
Wr should be favs and playing the Crows. Swans should have missed.



Interchange infringement against North
Dodgy call by goal umpire against crows


It doesn’t matter how they made it. They made it. A new season starts now. It’s like when we qualified in 2013 only because Essendon*, but we still managed to win a final.

We wouldn’t want to underestimate the Swans. Reigning grand finalists and all that.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2023 10:48 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
diesel95 wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Brendan Fevola. 204 games 623 goals.
But that doesn't mean we'll select him next week. You know as well as anyone Syd, selection is based on your form. Not what you did 5 years ago.
Harry needs to offer more than he currently does. Not necessarily to hold his spot but to assist the team to succeed. That's what we all want. To see every player at their best, helping to bring team success.


Harry’s fourth quarter efforts are sometimes game saving for us. Wasn’t last week or the week before but he’s capable of dominating our transition game from goal square kick outs.


And yet Charlie takes as many marks outside 50 as Harry does. :?
He also leads the AFL for goals, is top 5 for contested marks, marks inside 50, score involvements, offensive 1 on 1 wins etc.
Adaptable, versatile.That's his value.
No one disputes Harry's potential but we have too many 1 dimensional talls. He's one of them. That's why Jack get's a game. He's not as tall or skilful as the rucks but he can adequately perform other roles. If Harry could also do it, he'd offer enormous value to us.


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I've been reading the posts in amazement whilst up in FNQ, and I like the debate, but am I reading this last post right? Harry out SOS in?


This post


I don't know how you can draw that conclusion reading the post. :?

The post (like all the others I've made) state that my preference is to not play 2 rucks and 2 tall forwards. Hence why I prefer Jack plays ruck instead of Pitto. Hence why I believe we're better off playing Harry in the ruck instead of Pitto. Because the adaptability would offer enormous value to our structure.
If you're going to state that I "want it both ways", it's not really valid when you use incorrect assumptions to do it.

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The concept is what Farmer and BV have supported for a while.
Having said BV and Braithy have also suggested dropping Harry, and Farmer raised the question too given the wet.
You can't have it both ways, but point made.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2023 11:07 pm 
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2 rucks 2 forwards

End of discussion

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2023 11:09 pm 
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Yeah, thanks for the contribution.
I'm sure that makes all the difference to everyone.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 6:31 am 
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kingkerna wrote:
2 rucks 2 forwards

End of discussion



sure. if we want to be slow, not be able to apply our manic pressure, and ultimately lose.


successful teams with 2 rucks and 2 kpf's score from transition. we do not. we score from applying pressure from stoppage and fast handball chains. if we go lumbering in the wet, it will end badly. just as badly as our 9 game lose streak where thats what we attempted to do.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 6:35 am 
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Thanks to you bastards, I'm gonna be nervous no matter who we pick!


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 6:52 am 
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:lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 8:29 am 
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Most of the rain prior to game.

8 degrees during the game
Possible sleet.

Suits Carlton more than Sydney.
The weather in Sydney over the last month has been mild, around 20 degrees with some days up to 24.
Sea temp between 18-20 degrees.

Rained 4 times for about 2 hours each time, but what a deluge.
Swans are going to feel the big freeze.

Carlton had more exposure to slippery conditions.
Papley's hammy is going to love the slog. :roll:

Ive bought the ponchos.
I've pulled out the ski gear.
Beanie in storage.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 8:31 am 
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I noticed Big Bodies are the order for the Pies and Dees have bought in 2 big bodies too.
I'm guessing its to withstand all the bashing and crashing of bodies and a lot of ground ball.

I expect Carlton to do the same.

One more sleep.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 8:44 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
I noticed Big Bodies are the order for the Pies and Dees have bought in 2 big bodies too.
I'm guessing its to withstand all the bashing and crashing of bodies and a lot of ground ball.

I expect Carlton to do the same.

One more sleep.


I would but interetsing Voss on 360 said they hadn't even considered the weather when picking the side. Maybe he was just kidding?


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 8:50 am 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I noticed Big Bodies are the order for the Pies and Dees have bought in 2 big bodies too.
I'm guessing its to withstand all the bashing and crashing of bodies and a lot of ground ball.

I expect Carlton to do the same.

One more sleep.


I would but interetsing Voss on 360 said they hadn't even considered the weather when picking the side. Maybe he was just kidding?



the only part that i hated in the interview. the whole leaving no stone unturned bit, but not knowing or caring what the weather is???


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