Blue Vain wrote:
diesel95 wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Career stats
Charlie 107 games 221 goals
Harry 105 games 201 goals
Charlie is regarded as the best forward in the comp
Harry is not far behind him based on those numbers
Brendan Fevola. 204 games 623 goals.
But that doesn't mean we'll select him next week. You know as well as anyone Syd, selection is based on your form. Not what you did 5 years ago.
Harry needs to offer more than he currently does. Not necessarily to hold his spot but to assist the team to succeed. That's what we all want. To see every player at their best, helping to bring team success.
Harry’s fourth quarter efforts are sometimes game saving for us. Wasn’t last week or the week before but he’s capable of dominating our transition game from goal square kick outs.
And yet Charlie takes as many marks outside 50 as Harry does.
He also leads the AFL for goals, is top 5 for contested marks, marks inside 50, score involvements, offensive 1 on 1 wins etc.
Adaptable, versatile.That's his value.
No one disputes Harry's potential but we have too many 1 dimensional talls. He's one of them. That's why Jack get's a game. He's not as tall or skilful as the rucks but he can adequately perform other roles. If Harry could also do it, he'd offer enormous value to us.
agree on this years form Harry wasn’t Charlie. nobody in the league was though, outside a handful of players like Taylor Walker.
there was a game this season where Charlie kicked more goals than Harry and was more involved and more dominant but Voss made a point of highlighting Harry’s last quarter to the media who were all about Charlie.
Martin’s a very different player and way more
mobile than Harry, not sure on his tank v Charlie l, both curnows are good runners, but Martin seems to get around the ground more often than any of the tall/mid-talls. i’ll check his k’s in a sec!
love martin and have done last two seasons. if he could find a few more touches per quarter he’d be a weapon like Toby Green or Papley bc when he gets it his kicking and decision making are elite. excellent in heavy traffic too.
The biggest thing Harry brings is he demands a key tall in oppo’s defence freeing Charlie from the double/triple tag effect. when he’s in decent form he’s a constant making threat, even if he won’t kick half the goals he could.
Maybe Harry does need more of a hands on coaching experience. he’s finally kicking drop punts when he should be (or more often) and i can’t help thinking that was an intervention not a change of mindset he self-engineered one day this season. maybe someone who onondaga the club well can give us a hint, BV?!
if i was Vossy, (never ever!) i’d be showing him video of Hawkins and Dannaher rucking in the forward arc and kicking goals from the clearance to inspire him to put a hard preseason in under big Cruiser’s tutorship. it would add an element to his game for sure and he can’t ruck for quids yet so that’s not an option this finals series.
to me it’s mostly a form issue with Harry. he had a stellar Coleman season without Charlie there and there’s no reason he can’t be as good a player again. even sharing the spotlight and sharing the opportunities. Carlton mangle way more than enough inside fifties (no12 for converting I50 to goal at 22%) for Harry to get plenty of it without badly impacting Charlie’s game. quite the reverse, Charlie can do anything so providing him with more space and less opposition can only be good. If Charlie can continue to improve his set-shot goal kicking it would boost our conversion rate, it’s bottom five territory, kicking a goal with 46.6% of attempts (no. 14). i guess the mid season slump weighs heavily on that stat.
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