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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 6:50 pm 
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@#$%&! this week off shit. Am I meant to feel like this for another 168 hours?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 7:02 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
Heard Papley just walked laps at training.


A female caller to SEN said she went to Swans training. Said Papley could barely break into a job and just walked. She didn't feel at all confident he'll be right to play us.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 7:03 pm 
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Heavs wrote:
@#$%&! this week off shit. Am I meant to feel like this for another 168 hours?


Yes......enjoy....lol.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 7:13 pm 
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Heavs wrote:
@#$%&! this week off shit. Am I meant to feel like this for another 168 hours?



it'll be like lord of the flies in here once we've marinated on team selections for another 168 hours :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 7:24 pm 
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jim wrote:
Said Papley could barely break into a job and just walked.



Well that's what's wrong with this country, the lazy prick!!



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 10:29 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
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Do we play Harry or Pitto?
Both

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TDK as tactical sub for after half time?
We don't have a Gawn type ruckman who drifts back to help out and goes forward and clunks them and wins hit out to advantage. So Melbourne dont need 2 rucks.Our 2 are lucky if they catch a cold.
But where both are better than gawn is following up after the initial ruck contest either by blocking or tackling or knocking it out.
This is taxing so you need 2.
Play them both

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out of curiosity Syd...

how do you feel about our winning % and how we've looked in those tough losses when we tried to play harry, pittonet and tdk?


through my eyes, it doesn't work. we lose defensive pressure playing all three - and our 9 game win streak was a product of hungry, fast, swarming defensive pressure.


one of those big three has to miss if we want to play that hunting, contested high energy brand of footy (which other teams struggle to go toe-to-toe with us over 4 qtrs)



harry's effort in the GWS isn't worthy of a start in finals ... constantly hands on hips, out on his feet and unable to be even competitive at times in the 2nd half.

i often wonder, if harry doesn't go down with his knee, are we even sitting here waiting for our first final in 10yrs?
Did you watch TDK against Gold Coast he was putrid. Put in one like that again against swans and we are screwed.
Briggs murdered him last week
Harry been back 2 games from injury and last week he was an experiment.
The 2 games before he was injured 19 disposals 2.3 and 20 disposals 3.2
Even polled coaches votes.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:39 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Did you watch TDK against Gold Coast he was putrid. Put in one like that again against swans and we are screwed.
Briggs murdered him last week
Harry been back 2 games from injury and last week he was an experiment.
The 2 games before he was injured 19 disposals 2.3 and 20 disposals 3.2
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this is the trap. we are a completely different team now, to the plodding middle of the road team we were when harry last played good football. we swarm and pressure and our effort is through the roof. all qualities which harry doesn't have an abundance of ...


harry's effort, for me is the question. we have the best FF in the game, so what is harry bringing to the team? if he can't create the defensive pressure our gameplan now needs to be successful.

the margins in this finals series will be fine. Basically all 22 blokes need to bring pressure and tackling and selflessness as we did in the dees & pies games. if just one player shirks that, we will lose.


tdk didn't play his best game against suns, but he was still better than harry. and then harry for me was worst afield in the giants game - and that has me worried.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:53 am 
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From what I’ve seen, Harry is excellent in terms of his running and pressure, as well as his marking and the role he plays in transition. He is also a pretty good field kick.
His weakness this year has been his kicking and positioning in attack where he should provide more of an alternative to Charlie.
Just wanted to respond on that.

However, my real question is who takes Heeney? And Papley? Which one does Newman take? And who takes the other?
If Papley is fit? If Papley is not really fit (which I believe we will know…)??

I feel like Cottrell will be assigned to run with Gulden.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2023 10:27 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
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Career stats
Charlie 107 games 221 goals
Harry 105 games 201 goals

Charlie is regarded as the best forward in the comp
Harry is not far behind him based on those numbers


Brendan Fevola. 204 games 623 goals.
But that doesn't mean we'll select him next week. You know as well as anyone Syd, selection is based on your form. Not what you did 5 years ago.
Harry needs to offer more than he currently does. Not necessarily to hold his spot but to assist the team to succeed. That's what we all want. To see every player at their best, helping to bring team success.
Harry has been working up the ground all year something you fail to acknowledge.
The vast majority of his marks and possessions have come outside the forward fifty.
We need to enter these finals with 2 tall forwards and 2 rucks if we don't we will get slaughtered.
Last week when Harry was running around pretending to be a ruckman this freed up one of the tall backs who went to Martin who got a bath.
We are a contested stoppage team so we need our ruckman to do bollocking work around the ball.
If we insist on playing Harry as 2nd ruck you are causing Charlie to get double teamed and Martin to attract a better opponent.
You are a smart man BV and even you would have realised that when Harry was kicking badly that Voss moved him to the true centre half forward position so he was contributing up the field.
No 1 player in the comp for marks down the line.
Now put your bullshit Harry hatred away and enjoy the finals with Pitto TDK Harry and Charlie playing



Don't be upset Syd. You're the one who originally quoted the goal kicking comparison stats as some form of validation of his performance. Not me
Now you're arguing why goal kicking stats aren't relevant and blaming me for it. :lol:
This is like a 3 stooges episode. Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.

BTW. No.1 player in the comp for marks down the line. Where did you get that stat from?
The champion data bloke mentioned it either on radio or a podcast a few weeks back.
He is up there for contested marks and marks on a lead and takes more marks outside 50.
So I can only assume he is right

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2023 2:59 pm 
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the experience of Longmire is a big advantage in coach box ,but apart from that i expect Harry to dominate swans ,he is due for a big Game.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2023 3:44 pm 
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i read where H left halfway thru training today. being managed etc


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2023 4:22 pm 
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I'll guess being on the outer with this but...

While I prefere SOS over Pitto, the whole Pitto/TDK/Charlie/Harry conundrum assumes they're all KP/Tall players

While they are, Charlie could comfortably spend minutes on the wing every quarter as the outlet option from D50 and the architect going inside 50 while one of H, TDK and Pitto are either benched or Pitto in ruck and H/TDK playing fwd roles

Charlie is a natural at playing the Kouta role for 5-7 minutes a quarter. His delivery I50 is elite

Disruption and variety are just as important as any gameplan

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2023 4:46 pm 
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I remember during the 99 GF, SOS was doing a reasonable job on Carey. Pagan then moved Carey into the middle! I’m pretty sure I remember SOS around the CHB position caught in between Full Back and where Carey was, looking up to the box with a kind of ‘what do I do now’ look on his face. Anyway, the Kangas then got on top and the rest is history. I may have revised history in my mind but it seems real to me :-).
I would keep a move like that up our sleeve for that kind of burst situation but only in a GF.

On another note, I do think Longmire is a great coach and an asset in finals, and the Swans have a history of bringing intense heat to finals where they are underdogs.
However, if there is one guy I’d want to lead me into a finals series, it is triple premiership captain, (should have been norm smith medallist), Brownlow medallist, Captain
Courageous and IMO coach of the year Michael Voss!!


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:07 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
From what I’ve seen, Harry is excellent in terms of his running and pressure, as well as his marking and the role he plays in transition. He is also a pretty good field kick.
His weakness this year has been his kicking and positioning in attack where he should provide more of an alternative to Charlie.
Just wanted to respond on that.

However, my real question is who takes Heeney? And Papley? Which one does Newman take? And who takes the other?
If Papley is fit? If Papley is not really fit (which I believe we will know…)??

I feel like Cottrell will be assigned to run with Gulden.

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Heeney will go straight to Cripps like he did last time.
Last time we played them we couldn't hit the back of a barn door from 10 feet.
We kicked 6 .15 we should have beaten them easily. Cripps limped off early in the last Hewett got injured , Holland injured and Newman was concussed none playing at all in last quarter. Hewett was out before half time.

It was a horrible night all round.

All things being equal if we don't stuff up on the selection table we should win this

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:13 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
17th Premiership wrote:
From what I’ve seen, Harry is excellent in terms of his running and pressure, as well as his marking and the role he plays in transition. He is also a pretty good field kick.
His weakness this year has been his kicking and positioning in attack where he should provide more of an alternative to Charlie.
Just wanted to respond on that.

However, my real question is who takes Heeney? And Papley? Which one does Newman take? And who takes the other?
If Papley is fit? If Papley is not really fit (which I believe we will know…)??

I feel like Cottrell will be assigned to run with Gulden.

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Heeney will go straight to Cripps like he did last time.
Last time we played them we couldn't hit the back of a barn door from 10 feet.
We kicked 6 .15 we should have beaten them easily. Cripps limped off early in the last Hewett got injured , Holland injured and Newman was concussed none playing at all in last quarter. Hewett was out before half time.

It was a horrible night all round.

All things being equal if we don't stuff up on the selection table we should win this

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That was a couple of weeks before we played Essendon* and therefore close to low point of both our seasons

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:53 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
I'll guess being on the outer with this but...

While I prefere SOS over Pitto, the whole Pitto/TDK/Charlie/Harry conundrum assumes they're all KP/Tall players

While they are, Charlie could comfortably spend minutes on the wing every quarter as the outlet option from D50 and the architect going inside 50 while one of H, TDK and Pitto are either benched or Pitto in ruck and H/TDK playing fwd roles

Charlie is a natural at playing the Kouta role for 5-7 minutes a quarter. His delivery I50 is elite

Disruption and variety are just as important as any gameplan


You don't change something that is working perfectly to fix something else that isn't.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:10 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
We kicked 6 .15 we should have beaten them easily. Cripps limped off early in the last Hewett got injured , Holland injured and Newman was concussed none playing at all in last quarter. Hewett was out before half time.

It was a horrible night all round.

All things being equal if we don't stuff up on the selection table we should win this

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On the other hand the Swans had key players missing, from memory McCartin, Rampe, Mills, McDonald all missed this game but will be available for the elimination final.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:53 pm 
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I have the jitters about this match. Would have felt a lot more comfortable playing the Dogs.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2023 8:35 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
99prelim wrote:
I'll guess being on the outer with this but...

While I prefere SOS over Pitto, the whole Pitto/TDK/Charlie/Harry conundrum assumes they're all KP/Tall players

While they are, Charlie could comfortably spend minutes on the wing every quarter as the outlet option from D50 and the architect going inside 50 while one of H, TDK and Pitto are either benched or Pitto in ruck and H/TDK playing fwd roles

Charlie is a natural at playing the Kouta role for 5-7 minutes a quarter. His delivery I50 is elite

Disruption and variety are just as important as any gameplan


You don't change something that is working perfectly to fix something else that isn't.


So the Pitto, TDK, Curnow, Harry set up is working perfectly?

Lucky for us Charlie decided to break character during the dying minutes against GC

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