Blue Vain wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
If I was Docherty, I wouldn't want the rest. He needs a game to redeem himself.
I thought he was very poor on Saturday. Back to the old school Carlton Cripps/Docherty leadership model of scungeing kicks off everyone else. He has an amazing ability of sucking the momentum out of our team when we're on a roll by calling for backwards kicks, ignoring better options to give the ball to or calling for the cheap disposal when someone else has done the hard work and then turning it over.
As I've said before, he's not a midfielder but when he plays there, he needs to do better than chasing cheap disposals. 5 contested possessions and 1 clearance is nowhere near good enough. Especially when the captain is sitting on the bottom of packs with half a mattress tied around his waist.
He needs to go back to the wing but I'd be tempted to play Hollands instead so Doc had better pull a rabbit out because he's playing himself out of our best 22 IMHO.
He's
playing himself out of your 22 BV.Docs played a great midfield role over the last month, and I have'nt heard you criticise him when he has played well, but when the stats don't show enough, he's not a midfielder, he's a wingman.
Nice post. Light on facts but great drama.
Go back and have a look. I've said all along Docherty isn't a midfielder. He's been playing his best footy for a while on the wing and that's where he'll get a game. I've posted numerous times that when Cerra and Walsh return, he's out of our midfield and back to the wing. But let's not let the facts get in the way.
My point is straight forward and easy to understand.
You do not criticise Doc as a midfielder when he plays well in the midfield, and he's played well as a midfielder for 4 weeks in a row till the GC game. He was brilliant as a mid, in the Finals like game we won against the Dees, when Walsh and Cerra were missing. Proves against your assertion, he can play midfield. That's all.
I will be happy for him to play wing when the troops are back, but no way would I expect Voss to not call on him to play midfield if we need to mix things up, just because he had one average game against GC after a stretch of great games.
Do you think its you may be deflecting by making wild assertions and adding mayo suggesting "he is playing himself out of our best 22", so much so, you are "tempted to play Hollands instead of Doc", and needs to play this week for the purpose of "redeeming himself". I know you're trying to make the point you weren't happy with his game vs GC, but to make the way you have is laughable to TBH. Admit it. Its a "Slight" exaggeration his form leaves him on the verge of losing his spot.
Doc will not be dropped, and is a strong candidate to play midfield minutes during Finals, and wing, and when needed. No dramas. No controversy. No exaggeration. You can take it to the bank.
Have you been hitting the sherry?
I just gave an opinion. He is playing himself out of my best 22. If he's in yours, fantastic.
I'm not deflecting or making "wild assertions". I've said all along he's not a midfielder. Do your research. It's no different to saying Lewis Young isn't a ruckman. He can play there but he wont have an AFL career there.
Doc stunk it up Saturday. don't take my word for it. Plenty of other posters share the same view. He doesn't win his own ball. He had 2 centre clearances over 4 weeks playing as a midfielder. He's played his best footy on the wing this year.
Interestingly I stated a couple of weeks ago that Doc will move back to the wing, possibly at Ollie Hollands expense and you stated it's Hollands "spot to lose from here to Finals.
He's the incumbent, and has been since round 1.
He might win a Flag in his first year on a wing like Scott Camporeale.
I've had that feeling about him since his first game, round 1."
So is he best 22 on the wing? Does he push out Hollands or Acres?
Is he best 22 as a midfielder? Is he best 22 in the back 7?
Spots aren't that easy to keep if we get everyone back. Yes Doc is a great story but sentiment goes out the window in finals. Like JSOS he has to earn a role and deserve to keep it. Playing like Saturday isn't up to standard.
You really bite when someone points out something wrong with what you post BV. Every time. You don't just wear it on the chin.
You finally got the point that Docs spot was not precarious in
our team, when you meant
your team. Glad you came to that conclusion because that was the point. Have a look highlighted
All you have to state is that it is your team as you finally did. It makes a difference.
You're creating the drama. Have a read:
"Redeem himself"; "Playing himself out of our best 22"; "Stunk it up". Look up the definition of assertion, and you will find the forceful nature of your exaggeration.
You still don't accept that whilst we had mids out prior to the Gold Coast Doc played a great midfield role, instead you want to point out his 2 clearances, like he didnt have anything to do with the wins, when he was one of our best during a period we had injured mids out, and what about his game in the midfield in an undermanned midfield in a Finals like game, we won against the Dees. You wonder why posters do have Docherty named in the midfield week in week out. Its because he can play that role, but such is the depth of our mids, we have even better ones than Doc, in Cerra and Walsh. Doesn't mean Doc can't play the role.
The point I'm making has nothing to do with Hollands and Young. Call it what you like but that is a normal deflecting tactic to bring them up. Nothing to do with them.
Young can't play ruck doesn't equal Docherty can't play midfield. I don't know how you can make that connection. That's such an exaggeration to make a point which is wrong from the outset.
I said and agree Doc didn't have a great game, but to suggest "he stunk it out" that's another exaggeration' albeit full of texture. Lets see which poster is as harsh as you to suggest Doc "stunk it out" as you suggest vs GCS. Sure his kicking efficiency of 68% wasn't great for 25 possessions but almost 600 metres gained, gaining territory, a battle we needed to win and he stunk it out? In a game we won from being 41 points down, he stunk it out? It was a team effort, and he has been part of that team effort over the last 9 weeks...yes with Doc in a midfield role whilst we had our first choice mids out injured. That Finals like game when we had 3 of our best mids out vs Dees, leaving Cripps Hewett and Docherty to run the midfield and win, proved what an important player Docherty is, let alone in the midfield.
As for Hollands, don't laugh, he still MIGHT play in a Premiership team in his first year like Campreale did given the injuries this team is known for. But as I've posted, if we have everyone fit and in form which is highly unusual for Carlton, there will be a lot of form players like Dow, Fisher, Fogarty, or even Hollands or Cuningham or Motlop who will miss out on selection in Finals.
Hollands has been the incumbent wing every time he's been available to play since round 1 FACT. I'm not making that up. Haven't you noticed? There's good reason to think its his spot to lose when a coach keeps on selecting him on the wing; in a team that has a history with injury and never having a full list to pick from. FACT. Its his spot to lose, but I don't get what that has with your comments regarding Docs spot in the team being precarious. Hence why I call you up on deflecting from the argument. Its not new.
If Doc doesnt primarily play midfield when Cerra and Walsh are back and Cripps is playing, that does not imply he can't play midfield, but I expect to see him in the midfield mix in the Finals. I bet he does
Walsh and Docherty are two mids unlike the other mids, who can play wing and HF, and Doc HB too, and for that reason, we will see them in play in those positions.
If everyone is fit and firing and the choice had to be made between the skinny first year runner, Hollands, vs the seasoned body, the leadership and footy IQ of Docherty, that is a no brainer. Point is, Doc is nowhere near playing himself our of this team and wont be dropped because you suggest he had a stinker, because he isn't a liability; Doc is an assett Vossy will move to play various positions in our Finals campaign because he can.
Lets stick to the facts. I'll drink to that....where's that sherry?
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