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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:30 am 
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Boyd should be ahead of Fisher as a backman with a man to mind because he can tackle and make it stick; sometimes sticks too long and ends with suspension.
Boyd can kick both sides and kick better than Fisher.

I can see Boyd on Pickett, but I can't see Fisher on Pickett.

I can't see Fisher being dropped so Fisher should be sub.

If Fisher is dropped, FMD, Vossy is serious about his ratings of players, like Dow has found out.


Fisher isn't getting dropped and he isn't sub either. Just played the best game of his career and got coaches votes. Went at about 80% efficiency by foot and had second most metres gained. Sort of game Boyd couldn't have in his wildest dreams.
Fish was good the entire game including the first half when aints brought the heat big time. 50+ tackles in first half alone (some teams don't have that many in an entire game), pressure rating above 200 which is elite and doesn't get much higher.
Yes, he can be frustrating but people need to park the Fisher hate for a minute and realise that players do not get dropped after performances like that.
I don't mind Boyd but he is not a walk up start. Missed 3 games of footy. Needs to come back via VFL and play 4 quarters.
No change to the 22 and Ed stays as sub.
Doesn't mean Fish is now a walk up start either. The pressure stays on him to maintain that sort of level as it does on a number of other players currently in the side. We're getting some key players back so those in the side need to keep performing to stay in. Fish more than performed so he stays in. Simple.


What role does Fisher play against Dees? or better still the following 2 questions are what Vossy knows, that you may have missed.

Do you know who was Fisher's opponent? You will find out if you look at the first 10 minutes of the 1st Qtr and in the 4th Qtr mentioned again.

[url]Who was Charlie's opponents?[/url] How did he have more than one opponent if every other defender had their opponent covered?

There lies the answer.

Boyd isn't coming back from injury. He's fit. Which of the two are fit for purpose? Depends what the purpose is I guess.

I'm not suggesting anything will or wont happen, but I have Boyd ahead of Fisher as a Defender with an opponent.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:35 am 
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jake_h03 wrote:
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Sources: Carlton will NOT have major ins when selection is announced tonight for Melbourne on Saturday, with a longer term view being taken to injuries for obvious reasons. The Blues will have up to 6 significant returns between Gold Coast next week & GWS the following week.


Voss pretty much confirmed Boyd would be the player returning this week in his post match presser


Has the presser happened?

I wonder which one of Fisher Fogarty and Ed he replaces? I couldn't think of anyone else.

If Vossy is expecting a more physical game than last week, and it will be, my guess is the weakest tackler or weakest defender will go. Fogarty has been playing forward. Not big stats but big on bringing the heat.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:51 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
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Sources: Carlton will NOT have major ins when selection is announced tonight for Melbourne on Saturday, with a longer term view being taken to injuries for obvious reasons. The Blues will have up to 6 significant returns between Gold Coast next week & GWS the following week.


Voss pretty much confirmed Boyd would be the player returning this week in his post match presser


Has the presser happened?

I wonder which one of Fisher Fogarty and Ed he replaces? I couldn't think of anyone else.

If Vossy is expecting a more physical game than last week, and it will be, my guess is the weakest tackler or weakest defender will go. Fogarty has been playing forward. Not big stats but big on bringing the heat.


Post match presser after the saints game. Didn’t necessarily say Boyd will be selected but said he’d be the only one available


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:34 pm 
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To me it is Boyd in and assuming Kemp is fit the obvious out is Ed who could probably do with a full run in the 2s. The issue then is who becomes the sub? Probably want to get matchday miles into Boyd's legs, wouldn't want to demote Fisher or Dow after promising displays, Saad though tired is a first 22 player every day, Cincotta I think is important for the extra height he brings to cover someone like Melksham, Fog though down a bit last week has been very good and is important for his defensive pressure. Tough call.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:37 pm 
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To me it is Boyd in and assuming Kemp is fit the obvious out is Ed who could probably do with a full run in the 2s. The issue then is who becomes the sub? Probably want to get matchday miles into Boyd's legs, wouldn't want to demote Fisher or Dow after promising displays, Saad though tired is a first 22 player every day, Cincotta I think is important for the extra height he brings to cover someone like Melksham, Fog though down a bit last week has been very good and is important for his defensive pressure. Tough call.

Fog as sub?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:45 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Boyd should be ahead of Fisher as a backman with a man to mind because he can tackle and make it stick; sometimes sticks too long and ends with suspension.
Boyd can kick both sides and kick better than Fisher.

I can see Boyd on Pickett, but I can't see Fisher on Pickett.

I can't see Fisher being dropped so Fisher should be sub.

If Fisher is dropped, FMD, Vossy is serious about his ratings of players, like Dow has found out.


Fisher isn't getting dropped and he isn't sub either. Just played the best game of his career and got coaches votes. Went at about 80% efficiency by foot and had second most metres gained. Sort of game Boyd couldn't have in his wildest dreams.
Fish was good the entire game including the first half when aints brought the heat big time. 50+ tackles in first half alone (some teams don't have that many in an entire game), pressure rating above 200 which is elite and doesn't get much higher.
Yes, he can be frustrating but people need to park the Fisher hate for a minute and realise that players do not get dropped after performances like that.
I don't mind Boyd but he is not a walk up start. Missed 3 games of footy. Needs to come back via VFL and play 4 quarters.
No change to the 22 and Ed stays as sub.
Doesn't mean Fish is now a walk up start either. The pressure stays on him to maintain that sort of level as it does on a number of other players currently in the side. We're getting some key players back so those in the side need to keep performing to stay in. Fish more than performed so he stays in. Simple.


boyd is more a man-on defender. accountable to the end. fish is more like saad - free license to roam and rebound.

the boyd and fish comparisons aren't legit bcos they play different roles.

boyd will come straight in and stay at home and wear melksham like a sock. athletically the only guy we have who could go to koz is saad. but he looks sore and he doesn't defend in that lock down role

if there's no 3rd tall for marchbank, boyd will replace him.


Yep, agree with this 100%. Boyd has to come into the team somehow.

Could Boyd take Kosi, or would it be too much for him? It would be great to have another option in case Saad is not working.

I can see Newman taking Melksham and then going across to Petracca when he is swung forward.

Isn't it great to have such selection headaches with 6 of our best 22 unavailable?! :eek:

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:45 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
boyd is more a man-on defender. accountable to the end. fish is more like saad - free license to roam and rebound.

the boyd and fish comparisons aren't legit bcos they play different roles.

boyd will come straight in and stay at home and wear melksham like a sock. athletically the only guy we have who could go to koz is saad. but he looks sore and he doesn't defend in that lock down role

if there's no 3rd tall for marchbank, boyd will replace him.


Melksham would be too strong for Boyd in the air. He plays more of a bustling third tall role.
Boyd is better suited to Pickett or Chandler IMHO. Kemp to Petracca. Perhaps Newman to Melksham.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:47 pm 
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If we are picking on form then Marchbank should be dropped for Boyd. Issue is do we go smaller? Positive is more run

Melbourne forward line last week as Van Rooyen, Petty, Harmes, Pickett, Neale-Bullen, Melksham, Chandler. It's NOT very tall. Petty will be out and likely replaced by McDonald or Brown or Grundy. So a tall for a tall.

Weitering & Kemp can handle the two talls. Important (which we do) our wings get back and help along with our Ruck. Newman can take Petracca if he goes forward or Melksham as could Cincotta. Boyd sits on Pickett and allows Fisher to free wheel.

The run gives us an advantage as long as we keep the pressure on around the ground as we have recently. It is that pressure that has caused the opposition trouble scoring


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I think it'll be Grundy.

There's a bit of rain forecast for sat, not sure who that helps

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The farmers…?


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kindest regards tommi


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:41 pm 
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@FarmerBlue - can you confirm?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2023 2:01 pm 
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FYI, the Matildas game will be on the MCG big screen before our match

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West Coast?


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FarmerBlue wrote:
If we are picking on form then Marchbank should be dropped for Boyd. Issue is do we go smaller? Positive is more run

Melbourne forward line last week as Van Rooyen, Petty, Harmes, Pickett, Neale-Bullen, Melksham, Chandler. It's NOT very tall. Petty will be out and likely replaced by McDonald or Brown or Grundy. So a tall for a tall.

Weitering & Kemp can handle the two talls. Important (which we do) our wings get back and help along with our Ruck. Newman can take Petracca if he goes forward or Melksham as could Cincotta. Boyd sits on Pickett and allows Fisher to free wheel.

The run gives us an advantage as long as we keep the pressure on around the ground as we have recently. It is that pressure that has caused the opposition trouble scoring

I read that both McDonald and Brown are injured yesterday so it will likely be Grundy for Petty. Lets not play him into form as a forward by manning him up with someone a foot shorter. Gawn will be forward at some point also.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2023 2:21 pm 
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Mil Hanna wrote:
@FarmerBlue - can you confirm?


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killpies wrote:
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If we are picking on form then Marchbank should be dropped for Boyd. Issue is do we go smaller? Positive is more run

Melbourne forward line last week as Van Rooyen, Petty, Harmes, Pickett, Neale-Bullen, Melksham, Chandler. It's NOT very tall. Petty will be out and likely replaced by McDonald or Brown or Grundy. So a tall for a tall.

Weitering & Kemp can handle the two talls. Important (which we do) our wings get back and help along with our Ruck. Newman can take Petracca if he goes forward or Melksham as could Cincotta. Boyd sits on Pickett and allows Fisher to free wheel.

The run gives us an advantage as long as we keep the pressure on around the ground as we have recently. It is that pressure that has caused the opposition trouble scoring

I read that both McDonald and Brown are injured yesterday so it will likely be Grundy for Petty. Lets not play him into form as a forward by manning him up with someone a foot shorter. Gawn will be forward at some point also.


If that is true then that certainly helps our cause.
They have been kicking scores of late, so whatever helps us limit their scoring is a plus.
Pickett, Petracca, Neal-Bullen and Chandler, aka their smalls have been doing the damage along with Tom Petty who is out. So the key will be grabbing hold of the little fellas. With that in mind, Boyd in sort of makes sense.


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