LoB would make good steak knives with Dow, to get him off our books. Better that than pay him out for no return.

I would like our club to be one that tries to do the right thing by players that won't be part of our future, by finding them new homes, rather than just delisting.

Unfortunately for Plowman, that might be the Olinda-Ferny Creek seconds.

Fish has a contract to end of 2025 so he stays (unless another club comes knocking).

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Be very intersting what we do now with Dow & Fisher

Dow has been looking elsewhere as no interest from Blues. Has that changed or does he now have some value?
Fisher has been wanting to go home and was going to WCE but they cooled. Would his form now as a HB peak their interest to do we try and keep him?

We need some spots
Ed will retire
Plowman will be delisted
Philp will be delisted
Honey will be delisted

Others still to sign are Jack, Marchbank, Cuningham, Fogarty, S.Durdin, McGovern

I still believe we will have a MINIMUM 6 changes to our list

Surely we'll delist S.Durdin? What's he had, 1 senior game in 2 years? O-Mac Mk.II. Move on.

Depends if we can replace him. We need at least one more key defender. Durdin can play just needs to stay fit

He’s been up and going for the last six weeks & playing well above reserves level. He could plug straight in if needed.

I mentioned in another thread that this season’s vacancies will come from the primary list. However, we don’t currently have the picks to fill them through the draft.

Fortunately, we have three or four on the rookie list that could be moved ‘up’ & the SSP to audition the right fit. If not, bring on some projects through the rookie draft.

Also worth remembering that we have already moved at least two on, with O’Keeffe & Cincotta being added to the list and given the commitment for next season.

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I think people really underestimate Durdin. Fatastic key defender which we need.

Report in the HUN and make of it what you will given all sorts of unsubstantiated rumours flying around.
We're prepared to offer Dow a 1 year deal. If another club is happy to offer him 2 and he wants to go, we wont stand in the way and will do another Setterfield deal (basically give him away for nothing) to make it easy.

I’d agree to all that except the last bit, we need to get something of value for him.

No doubt Dow has more value now with the recent exposure of his ability in the AFL on prime time tv.
Whether Carlton want a return for their investment or not is the big question.

I strongly feel that Carlton fans will not be impressed with Austin giving away players without the best return for the club. Do you think Dodoro would give up first round picks for nothing? Well Austin seems to be the other extreme.

Maybe its good business in the long run. Maybe there is something special about staying with Carlton (Destination Club and Great Culture) and players need a gentle push to seek employment elsewhere because they really they are no longer wanted on the list ala Setterfield.

My view is to get a fair return and Setterfield offer was not a fair return. Dow for the same to Saints, North or Eagles is not good value. I'm glad he may be offered a one year deal on minimum money to stay at Carlton, and my hunch is he would take it following his recent run with his mates. Probably a bad decision for him TBH. He can only get better or remain the player he is.

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First I've heard of this - did it start when he underperformed and got dropped.... or prior to that?

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RE Jack Silvagni

Looks like Jack is waiting to find out where he is likely to play for the Blues, moving forward, before he pens a deal, as much as is it Carlton waiting for the dust to settle before offering a contract



https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trade-wrap-the-latest-trade-and-list-news-out-of-the-afl/news-story/0c40fb23e0c42309d7da9a870a4f28b5

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First I heard about it was after he was dropped. Eagles have reportedly cooled off.
Maybe his appearance on the AFL circuit increases his value to other teams like it has for all the injury prone and peripheral players who have played AFL recently.

Saints played an extra in the backline to double team Charlie.
I'm pretty sure he didn't play HBF on an opponent vs Saints but was the spare behind the ball to help run out of backline.
hE HAD BEEN PLAYING THAT ROLE FOR AT LEAST LAST 2 ROUNDS, in the VFL.

Most play well if they dont have an opponent. I hope the Eagles don't factor that into their calculations.

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I'd love to keep big Durds on as a rookie. He is a good defender and with Young are the only 200cm players we have to fill gaps to KPD. Only issue with Durds has been keeping himself injury free. Like someone else pointed out, has a bit of Oscar McDonald Mk II about him.

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As an out of contract player, what leverage gave we got if Paddy chooses to leave?

Don't judge on one game and decision won't depend upon Dow. Two very different cases

In support of the above post. To be clear we have offered 2 rookie spots to 2 midseason or LTI supplementary players. We have 2 too many rookies for starters we cant replace.

Ed Curnow rookie retires
LOB possibly 2024 year paid out, unless its one of those below instead or upgraded to Primary list of which Boyd would be my only one.

Leaves us with



That's just the rookie list. The rookie list is still full.

If we want to delist from Primary list and re rookie any of the below uncontracted players, we have to move more off the rookie list to do that. Conundrum. Some of the players below are better than those remaining on rookie list.

Marchbank 27yo injury prone star
McGovern 29yo injury prone star
Silvagni 26yo Best Utility
Fogarty 24yo depth
Dow 24yo depth

Honey 22 yo who showed a lot in his first year
Philp 22 yo who showed a bit in his first year

We have to make min 3 changes to list whether its 3 draft picks/ ookie upgrades. Big decisions. I can't see Silvagni delisted or traded.

Plowman Delist for our first round pick
Dow is likely to be found a new home for 2nd pick hope its a good pick for our 2024 first rounder
Fisher is contracted till 2025, but hope we find a home giving us a 3rd pick hopefully for rookie upgrade or, a better pick than 62,68 & 82 we could trade for points.

So, that's Ed, LOB, Plow, Dow and Fish, making it 3 off Primary and 2 off Rookie.
Unless we are trading in a good player (hopefully not Gresham), we are not desperate to delist any more.

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Nice problem to have.

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Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

But the question remains, did anyone see his game vs us, his suitor, any differently than me? Lets get contemporary for a start, and piece it together.

Don't judge him on his past feats.
Much better to judge him on current form and this year's form.

That's the issue Farmer. This year, he has not set the world on fire, nor shown anything compelling to pick him, other than for depth. Is that part right?
Then, if its not to replace Dow, its to replace 22yo Philp, Honey or seniors Marchy, Gov, SOS, Fog. I may consider Gresham an upgrade on Fogarty because we have Corey Durdin, and possibly Honey on the sidelines.

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It is Heavs.

Our list is in the best shape it has been for 2 decades.

Its obvious we have to let go quality 'depth/ developing' players to make at least 3 changes to our list each year from now on, SPS was the first to be squeezed out, Setterfield was the next one. Stocker followed him. Only time before, LOB and Dow hit the exit door, and it will continue.

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