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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 10:11 am 
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Gawn will be a worry. Pitto presumably will have to play, as Max would flog TDK in the ruck. Pitto at least brings a more physical contest. The worry though is that Pitto won't be able to go with Max around the ground. One alternative is drop one of TDK or Pitto (neither of them get many possessions) for a more mobile player.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 10:15 am 
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It was reported yesterday that Walsh will not play. Club taking conservative approach.

Marchbank hopefully will be better for the run. He'd want to be. He was so far off the pace it wasn't funny. Even when he had the ball all on his lonesome in the centre of the ground he still managed to stuff up. But there's nobody else. You play Durdin and he will probably be off the pace as well. So just have to hope Caleb picks up the pace.

I'm not sure they will make any changes. Fisher was good. That said Boyd does play well defensively. Does he get Pickett?


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 10:23 am 
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cortez wrote:
Gawn will be a worry. Pitto presumably will have to play, as Max would flog TDK in the ruck. Pitto at least brings a more physical contest. The worry though is that Pitto won't be able to go with Max around the ground. One alternative is drop one of TDK or Pitto (neither of them get many possessions) for a more mobile player.

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Chances of Grundy playing?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 10:45 am 
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cortez wrote:
Gawn will be a worry. Pitto presumably will have to play, as Max would flog TDK in the ruck. Pitto at least brings a more physical contest. The worry though is that Pitto won't be able to go with Max around the ground. One alternative is drop one of TDK or Pitto (neither of them get many possessions) for a more mobile player.

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Thought TDK did really well flying solo against both Gawn and Grundy last time so not sure I agree with Max flogging TDK.
Having said that, unless H or JSOS make a far quicker than expected return, Pitto stays in the side.
Dropping TDK is not an option on his form over the past 8 weeks or so.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 10:48 am 
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So, for me I'd go no change.
Fisher despite his whipping boy status on this site played well and you can't drop someone after that performance.
Don't really see Boyd as a walk up start. Others might, but I don't.
Give Walsh another week. Way too risky bringing him back.
Cerra at least another 2 weeks away and H, Kennedy and JSOS and Gov still not ready.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:07 am 
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cortez wrote:
Gawn will be a worry. Pitto presumably will have to play, as Max would flog TDK in the ruck. Pitto at least brings a more physical contest. The worry though is that Pitto won't be able to go with Max around the ground. One alternative is drop one of TDK or Pitto (neither of them get many possessions) for a more mobile player.

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Reckon Pitto does pretty well on Gawn . Sure , Gawn usually starts like a house on fire but Pitto grinds away and wears him down . Thats when Tommy comes in for the kill .

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:35 am 
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I like Boyd but we can probably afford to retain Fisher & let Boyd get some touch in the 2s, given he won't have played for 4 weeks.

Although if Kemp doesn't come up, then Boyd in.

I reckon we'll drop this game then win one or both of our last 2. I just think our depleted midfield will finally catch up with us against Viney, Oliver, Petracca, Brayshaw.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:42 am 
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How about we go all out to win this one. Establish ourselves in the 8. Then rest some players to be cherry ripe for finals.

Melbourne will be hard, but so were our last couple of weeks. We can do it.

I dont want us to give up and concede any games. We owe Melbourne for what they did to us last year.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:45 am 
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Unless players begin to come back from injury I don't expect many changes to a winning side.

Given that there *are* about 5 first-choice players due back over the next three or four weeks, the pressure is on every member of that team to perform or they might miss out on finals.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:46 am 
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CK95 wrote:
I reckon we'll drop this game then win one or both of our last 2. I just think our depleted midfield will finally catch up with us against Viney, Oliver, Petracca, Brayshaw.

Yep agree.
If Walsh doesn't play I think we will struggle.
Percentage might be important so don't want a blowout.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:47 am 
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sinbagger wrote:
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Does Marchbank remain in the side?


Unless Gov has a miracle recovery, I'd say so.

For me the big question is whether Boyd comes back in? Hard to drop Fisher after today's effort, even though Boyd has some obvious advantages like tackling (when Christian lets him) and being able to kick with both feet.


Good sides won’t let Fisher run around like that regularly, Boyd comes straight into the back seven and Fisher can be sub.



Fisher was the spare in defense.
Saints double teamed Charlie.
Fish isnt going to have that luxury this week.

Fish said in his presser he took over the HB role Gov normally fills.
Is that what Vossy has been saying to him?
Someone is bullshitting.
Fish didnt have an opponent.
He played that loose in defense in the VFL the 2 weeks prior.

Boyd for me is in the 7 and Fish emergency.
Boyd loves the contest, and that's our game.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:54 am 
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cortez wrote:
Gawn will be a worry. Agree
Pitto presumably will have to play, as Max would flog TDK in the ruck Agree
Pitto at least brings a more physical contest. Agree
The worry though is that Pitto won't be able to go with Max around the ground Agree.
One alternative is drop one of TDK or Pitto (neither of them get many possessions) for a more mobile player. Who do you have in mind?

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SOS is ...crickets....Even if Harry is to come in TDK will still be the lone ruckman. Not saying Harry will.
There's no one who can play the No 2 ruck role in the VFL. Durdin isnt a running machine, and Akuei, our other tallest is only 194cm.

Pitto nullifies the ruck contest and sends a few HO to our advantage.
Pitto has to play a dirty game of attrition ie cant outrun Gawn, has to bash into him. Problem is Pitto cant get off the ground, so when Gawn is on the floor, Pitto has to fall on him and do whatever he can to wear him down with no Grundy for the chop out.

If Grundy does play, we will have a huge challenge with Gawn running around in their forward line.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:10 pm 
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Drewgirl wrote:
How about we go all out to win this one. Establish ourselves in the 8. Then rest some players to be cherry ripe for finals.

Melbourne will be hard, but so were our last couple of weeks. We can do it.

I dont want us to give up and concede any games. We owe Melbourne for what they did to us last year.


This.

Oliver likely to come back for them.
Their inform CHF, Petty is out.
Hibberd must be coming back in.

Who takes Petty's spot? Schache, Brown, Grundy
Weitering will take any one of them and beat with aplomb

Just have to ensure our mids continue to work their butts off:
Crippa Docherty and Hewett have been huge
Dow must keep growing in the role, and Fog and Cuningham have to do their bit.
It aint full of stars but plenty of will, desire and commitment to the contest. That's all we ask.

We should beat the Dees, who have looked wobbly last 2 weeks. Good last Qtr vs Tigers with Petty's goals, and a good 3rd Qtr against the cellar dweller, North, with goals drying up when Petty went off injured.

We owe these lucky pricks. 4 quarters of full on Carlton Pressure and Contest should sort them out.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 1:07 pm 
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Voss said in the presser only Boyd back this week. Gonna be hard to drop Fisher on that performance, so Boyd might be sub or magoos.

No change for me.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 1:12 pm 
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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
Voss said in the presser only Boyd back this week. Gonna be hard to drop Fisher on that performance, so Boyd might be sub or magoos.

No change for me.

So Marchbank holds his spot? Sounds like Kemp is okay then.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 1:13 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
Humpers wrote:
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Does Marchbank remain in the side?


Unless Gov has a miracle recovery, I'd say so.

For me the big question is whether Boyd comes back in? Hard to drop Fisher after today's effort, even though Boyd has some obvious advantages like tackling (when Christian lets him) and being able to kick with both feet.


Good sides won’t let Fisher run around like that regularly, Boyd comes straight into the back seven and Fisher can be sub.



Fisher was the spare in defense.
Saints double teamed Charlie.
Fish isnt going to have that luxury this week.

Fish said in his presser he took over the HB role Gov normally fills.
Is that what Vossy has been saying to him?
Someone is bullshitting.
Fish didnt have an opponent.
He played that loose in defense in the VFL the 2 weeks prior.

Boyd for me is in the 7 and Fish emergency.
Boyd loves the contest, and that's our game.

Drastically overstating Boyd’s defensive game. It’s better than Fisher’s, sure.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 1:17 pm 
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Boyd wasn't injured - it was the suspension. Was playing great footy so I'd bring him in no question. Move Doc into more midfield minutes, Fish further up the ground and get Acres playing a little more through the middle too.

We're fortunate that Boyd, Fish and Saad can play that running half back role and deliver well.

Kemp getting up will be vital.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 1:23 pm 
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Boyd wasn't injured - it was the suspension. Was playing great footy so I'd bring him in no question. Move Doc into more midfield minutes, Fish further up the ground and get Acres playing a little more through the middle too.

We're fortunate that Boyd, Fish and Saad can play that running half back role and deliver well.

Kemp getting up will be vital.


Who are we dropping for Boyd?


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:56 pm 
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I don't think we can keep playing two Ruckmen....Pitto was Awful....He was a liability. He is so poor around the ground... I lost count to how many contested marks his opponent had on the weekend. He was no where to be seen!


He needs to do more....can't just tap ruck and that's it. TDK needs to do the ruck full time. He is much better than Pitto.


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