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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 5:00 pm 
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With question marks over Young's suitability and S.Durdin's availability, does anyone who watches the magoos think Akuei could meet our KPD depth requirement? His standing in the TalkingCarlton MVP standings is promising, but aside from that I know nothing.


I have a bit of the VFL the last year and a half, and while he has improved a bit he is still MILES off it, so I wouldn't get your hopes up.

I think one of our biggest needs is a tall defender.
I like Kemp and he tries hard but he also has a way to go and is just not good enough to play the third tall position, he makes mistakes not due to a lack of talent but simply because he is too short and can't make up the ground on taller opponents. I see him as a fourth defender, not a third.

I was talking to a Kangas fan and he doesn't think B.Mckay is injury prone. He also doesn't have a view on whether he is any good. Personally I'd be into him. He is 200cm tall, strong, and doesn't shirk a contest.

I'd be trying to keep McG so long as it is on a decent wage. He has been pretty good and is a terrific kick.

I am not a Young fan. Good mark but panics nearly every time he has the ball in hand.

I'd hate to be in Curly's shoes. There are an awful lot of moving parts list wise at the Blues right now. Hard to say how and where most of them will land and this must be making list mment calls a nightmare right now.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Thanks for the Akuei posts. Nearly everything I've heard about him and Mirkov suggests they're punts that aren't going to work out, then every now and then someone will drop a crumb of optimism. Think I'll just mentally put a line through them both, that tactic worked well for Cunners, Fog, etc.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Paddycripps wrote:
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With question marks over Young's suitability and S.Durdin's availability, does anyone who watches the magoos think Akuei could meet our KPD depth requirement? His standing in the TalkingCarlton MVP standings is promising, but aside from that I know nothing.


I am not a Young fan.


How old are you?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:21 pm 
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Below if from the Hun. If true Plow on back ended deal which I interpret as this year he is on the most coin.
If west coast take Zac F's contract in the trade and Gov is on half he is currently on, should have more than enough to satisfy TDK.

Lachie Plowman is in the final year of a back-ended deal so might be nudged aside.

Zac Fisher will depart – likely to West Coast


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:24 pm 
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If we keep winning like this and make finals LM will be interesting.
TDK was great on Saturday. If he keeps going surely we need to up our offer?
We have said we will go to the draft but we have bugger all picks

We currently have many players out of contract including TDK, McGovern, Silvagni, Dow, Fogarty, Plowam, Marchbank, Cuningham, Curnow


Yep , definitely up the offer to Tom . In three or four years it will look cheap . His best years are in front of him . We have put in all the hard work . What , let another Club reap the rewards ? I hope our list management team aren't trying to be too cute . You know , too clever by half and the only one you finish up outwitting is yourself .


I hope the management are playing their cards right.
The question will be if Carlton is the club TDK wants to be with

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:28 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
With question marks over Young's suitability and S.Durdin's availability, does anyone who watches the magoos think Akuei could meet our KPD depth requirement? His standing in the TalkingCarlton MVP standings is promising, but aside from that I know nothing.


I have a bit of the VFL the last year and a half, and while he has improved a bit he is still MILES off it, so I wouldn't get your hopes up.

I think one of our biggest needs is a tall defender.
I like Kemp and he tries hard but he also has a way to go and is just not good enough to play the third tall position, he makes mistakes not due to a lack of talent but simply because he is too short and can't make up the ground on taller opponents. I see him as a fourth defender, not a third.

I was talking to a Kangas fan and he doesn't think B.Mckay is injury prone. He also doesn't have a view on whether he is any good. Personally I'd be into him. He is 200cm tall, strong, and doesn't shirk a contest.

I'd be trying to keep McG so long as it is on a decent wage. He has been pretty good and is a terrific kick.

I am not a Young fan. Good mark but panics nearly every time he has the ball in hand.

I'd hate to be in Curly's shoes. There are an awful lot of moving parts list wise at the Blues right now. Hard to say how and where most of them will land and this must be making list mment calls a nightmare right now.


Great post to digest.

Love it. I'd prefer Ben McKay to Young and Sam Durdin and Akuei and Plowman.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 9:10 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
With question marks over Young's suitability and S.Durdin's availability, does anyone who watches the magoos think Akuei could meet our KPD depth requirement? His standing in the TalkingCarlton MVP standings is promising, but aside from that I know nothing.


I have a bit of the VFL the last year and a half, and while he has improved a bit he is still MILES off it, so I wouldn't get your hopes up.

I think one of our biggest needs is a tall defender.
I like Kemp and he tries hard but he also has a way to go and is just not good enough to play the third tall position, he makes mistakes not due to a lack of talent but simply because he is too short and can't make up the ground on taller opponents. I see him as a fourth defender, not a third.

I was talking to a Kangas fan and he doesn't think B.Mckay is injury prone. He also doesn't have a view on whether he is any good. Personally I'd be into him. He is 200cm tall, strong, and doesn't shirk a contest.

I'd be trying to keep McG so long as it is on a decent wage. He has been pretty good and is a terrific kick.

I am not a Young fan. Good mark but panics nearly every time he has the ball in hand.

I'd hate to be in Curly's shoes. There are an awful lot of moving parts list wise at the Blues right now. Hard to say how and where most of them will land and this must be making list mment calls a nightmare right now.



That's what he is paid to do. Keep the squeaky wheels well oiled.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 11:11 pm 
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Seven players on the weekend without a contract (a public one, at least), plus two that signed during the week.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Seven players on the weekend without a contract (a public one, at least), plus two that signed during the week.



They better pick up their game, or they may miss the Carlton era.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2023 9:45 am 
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If the weekend is how McGovern plays when playing for a contract I give him a weekly deal


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:50 am 
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If the weekend is how McGovern plays when playing for a contract I give him a weekly deal


:lol: Its like that.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2023 1:12 pm 
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Carlton Uncontracted (13 Players) with my thoughts

Caleb Marchbank. (Delist)
David Cuningham (One Year)
Ed Curnow. (Retire)
Jack Silvagni. (2-3 Years)
Josh Honey. (Delist)
Lachie Fogarty. (One year?)
Lachie Plowman (Delist)
Mitch McGovern. (One year or trade for right deal)
Nic Newman (One Year)
Sam Durdin. (depend if we can replace as we need KPD)
Sam Philp (Delist)
Paddy Dow. (I'd keep but they will delist)
Tom DeKoning. (2 years or trade for First round pick)

*Zac Fisher is contracted until 2024 but strong talk is he is heading home to WA

That's 7 changes


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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FarmerBlue wrote:
Carlton Uncontracted (13 Players)

Caleb Marchbank
David Cuningham
Ed Curnow
Jack Silvagni
Josh Honey
Lachie Fogarty
Lachie Plowman
Mitch McGovern
Nic Newman
Sam Durdin
Sam Philp
Paddy Dow
Sam DeKoning
*Zac Fisher is contracted until 2024 but strong talk is he is heading home to WA


Not surprised we haven’t signed Sam DeKoning yet… :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2023 1:20 pm 
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GWS wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Carlton Uncontracted (13 Players)

Caleb Marchbank
David Cuningham
Ed Curnow
Jack Silvagni
Josh Honey
Lachie Fogarty
Lachie Plowman
Mitch McGovern
Nic Newman
Sam Durdin
Sam Philp
Paddy Dow
Sam DeKoning
*Zac Fisher is contracted until 2024 but strong talk is he is heading home to WA


Not surprised we haven’t signed Sam DeKoning yet… :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2023 2:29 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
Carlton Uncontracted (13 Players) with my thoughts

Caleb Marchbank. (Delist)
David Cuningham (One Year)
Ed Curnow. (Retire)
Jack Silvagni. (2-3 Years)
Josh Honey. (Delist)
Lachie Fogarty. (One year?)
Lachie Plowman (Delist)
Mitch McGovern. (One year or trade for right deal)
Nic Newman (One Year)
Sam Durdin. (depend if we can replace as we need KPD)
Sam Philp (Delist)
Paddy Dow. (I'd keep but they will delist)
Tom DeKoning. (2 years or trade for First round pick)

*Zac Fisher is contracted until 2024 but strong talk is he is heading home to WA

That's 7 changes

Fogarty & Cuningham are the two that are playing their way into another year, at least. Martin, Durdin, Cottrell & Owies are up for renewal next year as well.

Dow isn’t a competitive animal, so he’s likely content with $180k reviewed annually. Pity he’s become a symbol for the scorched earth dipsticks. The Bronx cheer when he came on as sub against Melbourne sealed his fate.

Fisher is contracted through 2025. I can only assume that the next two years are less than this year - hence the attraction.

Seven changes (two already done) is a good number. But, with only one pick inside 60, we’ll need a good return from De Koning, Fisher & McGovern if it goes that way.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2023 3:38 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Carlton Uncontracted (13 Players) with my thoughts

Caleb Marchbank. (Delist)
David Cuningham (One Year)
Ed Curnow. (Retire)
Jack Silvagni. (2-3 Years)
Josh Honey. (Delist)
Lachie Fogarty. (One year?)
Lachie Plowman (Delist)
Mitch McGovern. (One year or trade for right deal)
Nic Newman (One Year)
Sam Durdin. (depend if we can replace as we need KPD)
Sam Philp (Delist)
Paddy Dow. (I'd keep but they will delist)
Tom DeKoning. (2 years or trade for First round pick)

*Zac Fisher is contracted until 2024 but strong talk is he is heading home to WA

That's 7 changes

Fogarty & Cuningham are the two that are playing their way into another year, at least. Martin, Durdin, Cottrell & Owies are up for renewal next year as well.

Dow isn’t a competitive animal, so he’s likely content with $180k reviewed annually. Pity he’s become a symbol for the scorched earth dipsticks. The Bronx cheer when he came on as sub against Melbourne sealed his fate.

Fisher is contracted through 2025. I can only assume that the next two years are less than this year - hence the attraction.

Seven changes (two already done) is a good number. But, with only one pick inside 60, we’ll need a good return from De Koning, Fisher & McGovern if it goes that way.



I'm not sure of the logic in delisting any key backs given our shortage. In my eyes both Sam Durdin and Marchbank need to stay, assuming that Voss sees them as good enough. Unless a recurring injury is problematic on an ongoing basis, I do not see it as not being able to be overcome and therefore an issue for remaining on the list.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2023 5:33 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
Crusader wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Carlton Uncontracted (13 Players) with my thoughts

Caleb Marchbank. (Delist)
David Cuningham (One Year)
Ed Curnow. (Retire)
Jack Silvagni. (2-3 Years)
Josh Honey. (Delist)
Lachie Fogarty. (One year?)
Lachie Plowman (Delist)
Mitch McGovern. (One year or trade for right deal)
Nic Newman (One Year)
Sam Durdin. (depend if we can replace as we need KPD)
Sam Philp (Delist)
Paddy Dow. (I'd keep but they will delist)
Tom DeKoning. (2 years or trade for First round pick)

*Zac Fisher is contracted until 2024 but strong talk is he is heading home to WA

That's 7 changes

Fogarty & Cuningham are the two that are playing their way into another year, at least. Martin, Durdin, Cottrell & Owies are up for renewal next year as well.

Dow isn’t a competitive animal, so he’s likely content with $180k reviewed annually. Pity he’s become a symbol for the scorched earth dipsticks. The Bronx cheer when he came on as sub against Melbourne sealed his fate.

Fisher is contracted through 2025. I can only assume that the next two years are less than this year - hence the attraction.

Seven changes (two already done) is a good number. But, with only one pick inside 60, we’ll need a good return from De Koning, Fisher & McGovern if it goes that way.



I'm not sure of the logic in delisting any key backs given our shortage. In my eyes both Sam Durdin and Marchbank need to stay, assuming that Voss sees them as good enough. Unless a recurring injury is problematic on an ongoing basis, I do not see it as not being able to be overcome and therefore an issue for remaining on the list.

Depends on what’s around.

Biggie Ngyuon is no slouch.
Third time might be the charm for Tim O’Brien.
Dunno about Ben McKay, but maybe.
McMahon & Kuipers are in the ressies with Durdin.

No need to tie ourselves down.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Crusader wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
Crusader wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Carlton Uncontracted (13 Players) with my thoughts

Caleb Marchbank. (Delist)
David Cuningham (One Year)
Ed Curnow. (Retire)
Jack Silvagni. (2-3 Years)
Josh Honey. (Delist)
Lachie Fogarty. (One year?)
Lachie Plowman (Delist)
Mitch McGovern. (One year or trade for right deal)
Nic Newman (One Year)
Sam Durdin. (depend if we can replace as we need KPD)
Sam Philp (Delist)
Paddy Dow. (I'd keep but they will delist)
Tom DeKoning. (2 years or trade for First round pick)

*Zac Fisher is contracted until 2024 but strong talk is he is heading home to WA

That's 7 changes

Fogarty & Cuningham are the two that are playing their way into another year, at least. Martin, Durdin, Cottrell & Owies are up for renewal next year as well.

Dow isn’t a competitive animal, so he’s likely content with $180k reviewed annually. Pity he’s become a symbol for the scorched earth dipsticks. The Bronx cheer when he came on as sub against Melbourne sealed his fate.

Fisher is contracted through 2025. I can only assume that the next two years are less than this year - hence the attraction.

Seven changes (two already done) is a good number. But, with only one pick inside 60, we’ll need a good return from De Koning, Fisher & McGovern if it goes that way.



I'm not sure of the logic in delisting any key backs given our shortage. In my eyes both Sam Durdin and Marchbank need to stay, assuming that Voss sees them as good enough. Unless a recurring injury is problematic on an ongoing basis, I do not see it as not being able to be overcome and therefore an issue for remaining on the list.

Depends on what’s around.

Biggie Ngyuon is no slouch.
Third time might be the charm for Tim O’Brien.
Dunno about Ben McKay, but maybe.
McMahon & Kuipers are in the ressies with Durdin.

No need to tie ourselves down.


Austin should just look in the mirror and say Biggie Ngyuon three times and get him for free.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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carntheblues wrote:
Crusader wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Carlton Uncontracted (13 Players) with my thoughts

Caleb Marchbank. (Delist)
David Cuningham (One Year)
Ed Curnow. (Retire)
Jack Silvagni. (2-3 Years)
Josh Honey. (Delist)
Lachie Fogarty. (One year?)
Lachie Plowman (Delist)
Mitch McGovern. (One year or trade for right deal)
Nic Newman (One Year)
Sam Durdin. (depend if we can replace as we need KPD)
Sam Philp (Delist)
Paddy Dow. (I'd keep but they will delist)
Tom DeKoning. (2 years or trade for First round pick)

*Zac Fisher is contracted until 2024 but strong talk is he is heading home to WA

That's 7 changes

Fogarty & Cuningham are the two that are playing their way into another year, at least. Martin, Durdin, Cottrell & Owies are up for renewal next year as well.

Dow isn’t a competitive animal, so he’s likely content with $180k reviewed annually. Pity he’s become a symbol for the scorched earth dipsticks. The Bronx cheer when he came on as sub against Melbourne sealed his fate.

Fisher is contracted through 2025. I can only assume that the next two years are less than this year - hence the attraction.

Seven changes (two already done) is a good number. But, with only one pick inside 60, we’ll need a good return from De Koning, Fisher & McGovern if it goes that way.



I'm not sure of the logic in delisting any key backs given our shortage. In my eyes both Sam Durdin and Marchbank need to stay, assuming that Voss sees them as good enough. Unless a recurring injury is problematic on an ongoing basis, I do not see it as not being able to be overcome and therefore an issue for remaining on the list.


I have never seen Marchbank as a Key back. He's a 193cm and makes Michael Tuck look like a sumo wrestler. More a running 3rd tall defender


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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FarmerBlue wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
Crusader wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Carlton Uncontracted (13 Players) with my thoughts

Caleb Marchbank. (Delist)
David Cuningham (One Year)
Ed Curnow. (Retire)
Jack Silvagni. (2-3 Years)
Josh Honey. (Delist)
Lachie Fogarty. (One year?)
Lachie Plowman (Delist)
Mitch McGovern. (One year or trade for right deal)
Nic Newman (One Year)
Sam Durdin. (depend if we can replace as we need KPD)
Sam Philp (Delist)
Paddy Dow. (I'd keep but they will delist)
Tom DeKoning. (2 years or trade for First round pick)

*Zac Fisher is contracted until 2024 but strong talk is he is heading home to WA

That's 7 changes

Fogarty & Cuningham are the two that are playing their way into another year, at least. Martin, Durdin, Cottrell & Owies are up for renewal next year as well.

Dow isn’t a competitive animal, so he’s likely content with $180k reviewed annually. Pity he’s become a symbol for the scorched earth dipsticks. The Bronx cheer when he came on as sub against Melbourne sealed his fate.

Fisher is contracted through 2025. I can only assume that the next two years are less than this year - hence the attraction.

Seven changes (two already done) is a good number. But, with only one pick inside 60, we’ll need a good return from De Koning, Fisher & McGovern if it goes that way.



I'm not sure of the logic in delisting any key backs given our shortage. In my eyes both Sam Durdin and Marchbank need to stay, assuming that Voss sees them as good enough. Unless a recurring injury is problematic on an ongoing basis, I do not see it as not being able to be overcome and therefore an issue for remaining on the list.


I have never seen Marchbank as a Key back. He's a 193cm and makes Michael Tuck look like a sumo wrestler. More a running 3rd tall defender


Yep, he's incredibly mobile and has a huge tank. Would actually be great on a wing. That said, we are currently playing Kemp as a second key defender who is no bigger. But I think we could get exposed against some sides with this backline.

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