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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 8:12 am 
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Braithy wrote:
i think ben mckay will drive us nuts. positively nuts. i haven't seen much of barass. himmelburg is good when ever i watch gws. so, we need a tall defender who can kick, and we need a small forward who can crumb and add forward pressure and kick a goal or three per game.


cripps is 30 next season, yeah?

maybe draft another big bodied mid to develop.


Curtin ? Smillie next year ?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 8:55 am 
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Cripps is 28, turns 30 in March 2025.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 12:09 pm 
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We're looking at Barass, Ben McKay and Himmelberg I believe, as a stop-gap down back


Barrass is a gun IMHO but contracted. He'd cost too much in terms of picks and $$$$. We couldn't afford Himmelberg and he's an attacking flamboyant defender. I'd rather someone who can lock down tall forwards on a weekly basis.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2023 8:17 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Mil Hanna wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Midfielders playing man on man. Faster ball movement. 5th in the AFL for long kicks down to 15th. That's the difference. Run to receive the ball in the space and be rewarded by receiving the ball.
That's what we've all been asking for and it's finally clicking.



just not sure why voss and Co moved away from this structure & waited until the season was virtually over before bringing it back? it's what got us to 0.6% of finals last season.

i still believe our list and our play is top 4 standard when we're hunting the ball like this.


I think the changes started to be implemented a few weeks before our round 14 breakthrough win, but we just couldn't execute properly.

I have a theory that early this year he was trying to implement a game plan that was more sustainable and less taxing on the players to avoid the fadeouts we suffered in early games last year and then ultimately, the season.

It will interesting to see if we essentially do a reverse of 2022 and finish the season strongly off the back of the shift in game plan. Surely this would be enough evidence to convince Voss and Co. that we need to focus on our strengths and hone it for 2024?

Whatever happens over the remainder of the season, all I hope is that we stick with it as it is enjoyable to watch compared to the stifled debacle we had to endure for 6-7 weeks.



I agree with this also.
Last season we were playing more like the Pies (chaos football), but without the durabilty or speed that they have and as a result we got smacked with injuries.
The start of this season we were playing more like Geelong (controlled football) but without the skills, experience or footy IQ.
We have added back the Pies style of football again but it comes at a cost to our durabilty (Kennedy, McGovern etc).
Clearly neither style for our current playing group is either durable or finals winning footy.
We need to add speed, skills and durabilty and unfortuantly we need to move on some current key players in order to get this balance right.
If we can control the play like Geelong but also move the ball forward like the Pies we will not only be finals bound but actual premiership contenders.
I think Voss and co know this and you can see we have played a more evenly balanced game between the two styles in the last few games.
What we have been missing in team balance with the return of some of the annually injured has been pretty obvious over the last couple of weeks.
It'll be interesting to see what we do at the trade table at the end of the year to see how invested the coaching group is at getting the right balance of skill, speed and durabilty in the playing group.
This week has the potential to both really expose what we are lacking and what we are strong in.
Either way, I still have faith in Voss as head coach.



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2023 8:47 pm 
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Carlton's barometer, not surprisingly, P Cripps clearances.

Clearances
1 D 7
2 W 6
3 W 13
4 W 9
5 L 9
6 L 6
7 W 8
8 L 3
9 L 6
10 L 4
11 L 5
12 L 5
13 L 4
14 W 7
16 W 8
17 W 10
18 W 10

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2023 9:08 pm 
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I think its fairly evident that Voss had made changes to the game style and its been building.

Of course the players have been getting more confidence and believing and working so much more for each other. Alot of that comes from winning, BUT I think alot of Kudos should be extended to Vossy and the other coaches, but moreso Vossy.

If he can keep them to continue to focus and encourage them to continue to play with run and carry, support, tackle and pressure, then who knows?

Well done Vossy :)

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2023 9:22 pm 
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BluesRockMyWorld wrote:
I think its fairly evident that Voss had made changes to the game style and its been building.

Of course the players have been getting more confidence and believing and working so much more for each other. Alot of that comes from winning, BUT I think alot of Kudos should be extended to Vossy and the other coaches, but moreso Vossy.

If he can keep them to continue to focus and encourage them to continue to play with run and carry, support, tackle and pressure, then who knows?

Well done Vossy :)


Absolutely he has. More run and carry. Walsh & Cerra more midfield. Docherty on a wing now.
Inclusions of Martin and Cuningham have been huge for both class but carry and defensive pressure.
Lowering of the eyes and finding the shorter kick and creating the space. All missing early in the year. Not as much bombing. It really has transformed the team plan. The ball pressure is the mindset we have been looking for. This has been a huge change and not before time. Hopefully the players understand what is required and keep this up.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2023 9:30 pm 
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Looks a lot more like the irresistible brand we were playing pre-bye last year.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2023 1:16 am 
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robertbb wrote:
Looks a lot more like the irresistible brand we were playing pre-bye last year.


With the ability to stop teams getting a run on!

Early days but some of my posts are looking @#$%&! stupid now lol


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2023 8:54 am 
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It would be amazing to beat Coll &/or Demons.
But, first and foremost, we MUST win the other 4 games against the teams who are not top 4 and who we would now be expected to beat: WCE, StK, GC (Away) & GWS.
The next hurdle we must overcome after showing we can do it last night is… to conquer expectation!


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2023 9:00 am 
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17th Premiership wrote:
It would be amazing to beat Coll &/or Demons.
But, first and foremost, we MUST win the other 4 games against the teams who are not top 4 and who we would now be expected to beat: WCE, StK, GC (Away) & GWS.
The next hurdle we must overcome after showing we can do it last night is… to conquer expectation!


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I watched the last quarter of the GWS game, they looked really good. Of the teams not in the 8, they’re the biggest danger


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2023 9:07 am 
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Playing them in Rd 24 could be the decider for a finals spot or it could be a dead rubber.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2023 9:27 am 
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Braithy wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Midfielders playing man on man. Faster ball movement. 5th in the AFL for long kicks down to 15th. That's the difference. Run to receive the ball in the space and be rewarded by receiving the ball.
That's what we've all been asking for and it's finally clicking.



just not sure why voss and Co moved away from this structure & waited until the season was virtually over before bringing it back? it's what got us to 0.6% of finals last season.

i still believe our list and our play is top 4 standard when we're hunting the ball like this.
Kinda disagree...

Plan change has changed from..

'this is the game plan'...

to


'give the first option and IF IN SPACE this is the game plan'

That's what has brought in the handballs (f#& blocks, shepherds), short kicks and changed those stats.

I'm at evry game, last night on the boundary... It was so obvious it was going to the BEST option rather than 'spot'.

Looks like some of the strategies (extra at contest, drop a tall, back, swap a runner from defnce) were sorted a while back... (the Saints game nearly killed me).

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Cunners, Martin, Newman, Boyd, Gov who can execute the 'when in space' part of the plan and we are killing sides (winning around the contest helps :lol:).

Test will be Collingwood where the overhandballing and extra at the contest may not help.. The extra needs to come forward of the ball.. But that's another post for another day

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2023 12:13 pm 
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DesEnglish wrote:
17th Premiership wrote:
It would be amazing to beat Coll &/or Demons.
But, first and foremost, we MUST win the other 4 games against the teams who are not top 4 and who we would now be expected to beat: WCE, StK, GC (Away) & GWS.
The next hurdle we must overcome after showing we can do it last night is… to conquer expectation!


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I watched the last quarter of the GWS game, they looked really good. Of the teams not in the 8, they’re the biggest danger


How on earth did they lose to West Coast?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2023 12:48 pm 
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diesel95 wrote:
Sidefx wrote:

I agree with this also.
Last season we were playing more like the Pies (chaos football), but without the durabilty or speed that they have and as a result we got smacked with injuries.
The start of this season we were playing more like Geelong (controlled football) but without the skills, experience or footy IQ.
We have added back the Pies style of football again but it comes at a cost to our durabilty (Kennedy, McGovern etc).
Clearly neither style for our current playing group is either durable or finals winning footy.
We need to add speed, skills and durabilty and unfortuantly we need to move on some current key players in order to get this balance right.
If we can control the play like Geelong but also move the ball forward like the Pies we will not only be finals bound but actual premiership contenders.
I think Voss and co know this and you can see we have played a more evenly balanced game between the two styles in the last few games.
What we have been missing in team balance with the return of some of the annually injured has been pretty obvious over the last couple of weeks.
It'll be interesting to see what we do at the trade table at the end of the year to see how invested the coaching group is at getting the right balance of skill, speed and durabilty in the playing group.
This week has the potential to both really expose what we are lacking and what we are strong in.
Either way, I still have faith in Voss as head coach.



“not finals winning” football?!

dry up.

I stand by this comment.
We had a really really good win yesterday and our attacking ball movement is getting much better as well as our defensive pressure in the F50.
My perspective on yesterday is, they didn't have Dixon who woud've monstered our defence, they didn't have McKenzie who is good also and they lost a lot of run and skill without JHF who has been playing dangerous footy in the middle and up forward. The McKay loss could negate McKenzie but Kennedy as good as he is has nothing on JHF from what I have seen the last couple of rounds when he has played, the kid is a freak. And Dixon would've done all sorts of damage up forward putting enormous body pressure on our defence creating opportunites for other players to get in the game.
Our pressure was elite and our team performance was as even as I've seen in a long long time, but there were still moments, mostly last 10min of each quarter where players like Rozee, Butters and Houston could've absolutely torn us appart with their speed, skill and IQ if the players kicking for goals weren't so bad.
Don't get me wrong though, Voss and co are building a great game plan and the team are excecuting the roles well, but it still doesn't mean we lack any less speed, foot skills or footy IQ. Durablilty, ablilty to play 4 quarters and foot skills are still lacking for some players in the team and in finals footy that's when they will be exposed the most.
The best part about the win yesterday was the mental toughness and the belief in the playing group that they can win the tough games and put teams away also, great attributes to win finals and good to see the club, Voss and the players all buying into it as this is the hardest thing to do in footy.
If we beat the filth and the Demons, I'll be happy to re-check my perspective..........fingers crossed we do.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:53 pm 
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In todays HUN it mentions that Voss will likely sign a 2 year extension over the off season
Clubs wants some stability.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:22 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
diesel95 wrote:
Sidefx wrote:

I agree with this also.
Last season we were playing more like the Pies (chaos football), but without the durabilty or speed that they have and as a result we got smacked with injuries.
The start of this season we were playing more like Geelong (controlled football) but without the skills, experience or footy IQ.
We have added back the Pies style of football again but it comes at a cost to our durabilty (Kennedy, McGovern etc).
Clearly neither style for our current playing group is either durable or finals winning footy.
We need to add speed, skills and durabilty and unfortuantly we need to move on some current key players in order to get this balance right.
If we can control the play like Geelong but also move the ball forward like the Pies we will not only be finals bound but actual premiership contenders.
I think Voss and co know this and you can see we have played a more evenly balanced game between the two styles in the last few games.
What we have been missing in team balance with the return of some of the annually injured has been pretty obvious over the last couple of weeks.
It'll be interesting to see what we do at the trade table at the end of the year to see how invested the coaching group is at getting the right balance of skill, speed and durabilty in the playing group.
This week has the potential to both really expose what we are lacking and what we are strong in.
Either way, I still have faith in Voss as head coach.



“not finals winning” football?!

dry up.

I stand by this comment.
We had a really really good win yesterday and our attacking ball movement is getting much better as well as our defensive pressure in the F50.
My perspective on yesterday is, they didn't have Dixon who woud've monstered our defence, they didn't have McKenzie who is good also and they lost a lot of run and skill without JHF who has been playing dangerous footy in the middle and up forward. The McKay loss could negate McKenzie but Kennedy as good as he is has nothing on JHF from what I have seen the last couple of rounds when he has played, the kid is a freak. And Dixon would've done all sorts of damage up forward putting enormous body pressure on our defence creating opportunites for other players to get in the game.
Our pressure was elite and our team performance was as even as I've seen in a long long time, but there were still moments, mostly last 10min of each quarter where players like Rozee, Butters and Houston could've absolutely torn us appart with their speed, skill and IQ if the players kicking for goals weren't so bad.
Don't get me wrong though, Voss and co are building a great game plan and the team are excecuting the roles well, but it still doesn't mean we lack any less speed, foot skills or footy IQ. Durablilty, ablilty to play 4 quarters and foot skills are still lacking for some players in the team and in finals footy that's when they will be exposed the most.
The best part about the win yesterday was the mental toughness and the belief in the playing group that they can win the tough games and put teams away also, great attributes to win finals and good to see the club, Voss and the players all buying into it as this is the hardest thing to do in footy.
If we beat the filth and the Demons, I'll be happy to re-check my perspective..........fingers crossed we do.


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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/08/22/ ... to-finals/

Despite nine straight wins, Champion Data’s Daniel Hoyne has raised a little red flag for Carlton heading into September.

The Blues will play finals for the first time since 2013 thanks to this incredible run of wins, but Hoyne believes they’re scoring too heavily through their clearance game and aren’t scoring enough through turnover over the last six weeks.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:26 am 
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Valid observation.
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