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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 1:53 pm 
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Total Points

Expected Points

Difference

Charlie Curnow

302

269

+33

Corey Durdin

66

49

+17

Jack Silvagni

65

78

-13

Harry McKay

159

189

-30


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2023-every-teams-best-and-worst-goal-kickers-based-on-champion-data-statistics/news-story/a95ecdac7b7ddde3ba7c8a6599e78449

Fix up Harry and SOS (3rd tall), and we fix this problem to a large degree. If those 2, and Charlie kicked all the easy shots they missed, we would be top 4 right now.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 5:13 pm 
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Total Points

Expected Points

Difference

Charlie Curnow

302

269

+33

Corey Durdin

66

49

+17

Jack Silvagni

65

78

-13

Harry McKay

159

189

-30


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2023-every-teams-best-and-worst-goal-kickers-based-on-champion-data-statistics/news-story/a95ecdac7b7ddde3ba7c8a6599e78449

Fix up Harry and SOS (3rd tall), and we fix this problem to a large degree. If those 2, and Charlie kicked all the easy shots they missed, we would be top 4 right now.


The problem with statistics, particularly these, are if you have players kick to their average we’re actually ahead (+50 v - 43).


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 6:04 pm 
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Looks like we just need to lower the expectations and we're all good

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:22 am 
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Haven't seen the presser but did see on TV Voss said they've simplified things.

And clearly the players are playing more selflessly sharing the ball.

Well done to him.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:42 am 
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If they have made some changes then kudos to the coaching group. Whatever the complexities were, they were not working as intended and a change of course was required

It could be too late for 2023 but at least there is some hope on the horizon. Let's see how they go against Port

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:49 am 
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If they have made some changes then kudos to the coaching group. Whatever the complexities were, they were not working as intended and a change of course was required

It could be too late for 2023 but at least there is some hope on the horizon. Let's see how they go against Port

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The changes to game plan / style of play are very clear

We are trying to share the ball around, constantly looking to give the ball to a player in a better position. This was even telegraphed by one of the players in an interview last week

We also appear to have modified our team defense with players peeling off their lone to provide support. Watching games on TV it is very easy to see, players flying in off the side of the screen to assist.

Appears we have also worked on the centre square system as well.

Credit to the coach and assistant coaches for working through stuff. Shame it has taken this long to come good and finals could very well be jut out of reach because Geelong and Essendon* etc will be hard to dislodge. But it is what it is. Maybe St Kilda and the Bulldogs might be susceptible. I haven't done the analysis on who plays who in the run home.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:23 am 
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Thanks, I've had to listen to the past few on radio and they haven't given much analysis other than "where's this been all year"?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 1:42 pm 
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If they have made some changes then kudos to the coaching group. Whatever the complexities were, they were not working as intended and a change of course was required

It could be too late for 2023 but at least there is some hope on the horizon. Let's see how they go against Port

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Vossy said during the Presser

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"We simplified it significantly and the boys have enjoyed that and bought into it, and we’re playing some good footy. I believe the players need to take some credit for the way the leaders have gone after that period of time.

"Sometimes you can grow when you’re challenged and no one sees it, you still grow, then suddenly you start seeing what it looks like.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:45 pm 
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Thanks, will be interesting to see how the remainder of the year pans out and if there is a bit more dynamic coming out of the coaching group.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 7:39 pm 
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i think one of the best things to happen has been losing our rucks. our whole mindset at stoppages is back to hunting the ball and smashing anyone who has hold of it. the same ethos as last season - see ball, get ball.

when we had pittonet there, we seemed to be too finessing, too geared towards making the perfect stoppage outlet ball and applying our own set plays (which weren't working), rather than the hard nosed hunt we had last year.

the players seem to want to play for voss and admire him. upgrade some line coaches (forward and mids) and we might be rolling next year.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 7:47 pm 
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FWIW - Vossy was named as Coach In SENs team of the week after Round 17.

IMO, very, very well deserved.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:59 pm 
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i think one of the best things to happen has been losing our rucks. our whole mindset at stoppages is back to hunting the ball and smashing anyone who has hold of it. the same ethos as last season - see ball, get ball.

when we had pittonet there, we seemed to be too finessing, too geared towards making the perfect stoppage outlet ball and applying our own set plays (which weren't working), rather than the hard nosed hunt we had last year.

the players seem to want to play for voss and admire him. upgrade some line coaches (forward and mids) and we might be rolling next year.


Yep, agree. It's like a veil has been lifted. No room for Pitto, TdK in the same team (might be no room for either of them at all!)

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:50 pm 
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Midfielders playing man on man. Faster ball movement. 5th in the AFL for long kicks down to 15th. That's the difference. Run to receive the ball in the space and be rewarded by receiving the ball.
That's what we've all been asking for and it's finally clicking.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:23 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Midfielders playing man on man. Faster ball movement. 5th in the AFL for long kicks down to 15th. That's the difference. Run to receive the ball in the space and be rewarded by receiving the ball.
That's what we've all been asking for and it's finally clicking.



just not sure why voss and Co moved away from this structure & waited until the season was virtually over before bringing it back? it's what got us to 0.6% of finals last season.

i still believe our list and our play is top 4 standard when we're hunting the ball like this.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 10:10 am 
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Braithy wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Midfielders playing man on man. Faster ball movement. 5th in the AFL for long kicks down to 15th. That's the difference. Run to receive the ball in the space and be rewarded by receiving the ball.
That's what we've all been asking for and it's finally clicking.



just not sure why voss and Co moved away from this structure & waited until the season was virtually over before bringing it back? it's what got us to 0.6% of finals last season.

i still believe our list and our play is top 4 standard when we're hunting the ball like this.


I think the changes started to be implemented a few weeks before our round 14 breakthrough win, but we just couldn't execute properly.

I have a theory that early this year he was trying to implement a game plan that was more sustainable and less taxing on the players to avoid the fadeouts we suffered in early games last year and then ultimately, the season.

It will be interesting to see if we essentially do a reverse of 2022 and finish the season strongly off the back of the shift in game plan. Surely this would be enough evidence to convince Voss and Co. that we need to focus on our strengths and hone it for 2024?

Whatever happens over the remainder of the season, all I hope is that we stick with it as it is enjoyable to watch compared to the stifled debacle we had to endure for 6-7 weeks.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 10:21 am 
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Mil Hanna wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Midfielders playing man on man. Faster ball movement. 5th in the AFL for long kicks down to 15th. That's the difference. Run to receive the ball in the space and be rewarded by receiving the ball.
That's what we've all been asking for and it's finally clicking.



just not sure why voss and Co moved away from this structure & waited until the season was virtually over before bringing it back? it's what got us to 0.6% of finals last season.

i still believe our list and our play is top 4 standard when we're hunting the ball like this.


I think the changes started to be implemented a few weeks before our round 14 breakthrough win, but we just couldn't execute properly.

I have a theory that early this year he was trying to implement a game plan that was more sustainable and less taxing on the players to avoid the fadeouts we suffered in early games last year and then ultimately, the season.

It will interesting to see if we essentially do a reverse of 2022 and finish the season strongly off the back of the shift in game plan. Surely this would be enough evidence to convince Voss and Co. that we need to focus on our strengths and hone it for 2024?

Whatever happens over the remainder of the season, all I hope is that we stick with it as it is enjoyable to watch compared to the stifled debacle we had to endure for 6-7 weeks.

Definitely was the case.
For a few weeks there was a clear intent to move the ball quickly from defence and avoid the chipping around which was being focused on in media etc.
However we'd either turn it over or miss scoring opportunities such that we weren't getting rewarded (nourishment as they're saying now) not getting momentum in games.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:28 pm 
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Mil Hanna wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Midfielders playing man on man. Faster ball movement. 5th in the AFL for long kicks down to 15th. That's the difference. Run to receive the ball in the space and be rewarded by receiving the ball.
That's what we've all been asking for and it's finally clicking.



just not sure why voss and Co moved away from this structure & waited until the season was virtually over before bringing it back? it's what got us to 0.6% of finals last season.

i still believe our list and our play is top 4 standard when we're hunting the ball like this.


I think the changes started to be implemented a few weeks before our round 14 breakthrough win, but we just couldn't execute properly.

I have a theory that early this year he was trying to implement a game plan that was more sustainable and less taxing on the players to avoid the fadeouts we suffered in early games last year and then ultimately, the season.

It will interesting to see if we essentially do a reverse of 2022 and finish the season strongly off the back of the shift in game plan. Surely this would be enough evidence to convince Voss and Co. that we need to focus on our strengths and hone it for 2024?

Whatever happens over the remainder of the season, all I hope is that we stick with it as it is enjoyable to watch compared to the stifled debacle we had to endure for 6-7 weeks.

I agree with this also.
Last season we were playing more like the Pies (chaos football), but without the durabilty or speed that they have and as a result we got smacked with injuries.
The start of this season we were playing more like Geelong (controlled football) but without the skills, experience or footy IQ.
We have added back the Pies style of football again but it comes at a cost to our durabilty (Kennedy, McGovern etc).
Clearly neither style for our current playing group is either durable or finals winning footy.
We need to add speed, skills and durabilty and unfortuantly we need to move on some current key players in order to get this balance right.
If we can control the play like Geelong but also move the ball forward like the Pies we will not only be finals bound but actual premiership contenders.
I think Voss and co know this and you can see we have played a more evenly balanced game between the two styles in the last few games.
What we have been missing in team balance with the return of some of the annually injured has been pretty obvious over the last couple of weeks.
It'll be interesting to see what we do at the trade table at the end of the year to see how invested the coaching group is at getting the right balance of skill, speed and durabilty in the playing group.
This week has the potential to both really expose what we are lacking and what we are strong in.
Either way, I still have faith in Voss as head coach.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 2:53 pm 
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Pittonet is useless for our new type of game and he is given 4 years. Not everything has changed.

TDK young, athletic, and a runner, may buy into it.

We have youngsters, Hollands and Binns among others who will fit in to the new game game plan

It would be nice to have a replacement tall back who can both kick and doesn't get injured to replace McGovern.

Unfortunately no to Marchbank. Very unfortunate.

Voss and co. appear to learning.

We are not that far away. Have I heard that before?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 3:21 pm 
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Teddy Hopkins wrote:
Pittonet is useless for our new type of game and he is given 4 years. Not everything has changed.

TDK young, athletic, and a runner, may buy into it.

We have youngsters, Hollands and Binns among others who will fit in to the new game game plan

It would be nice to have a replacement tall back who can both kick and doesn't get injured to replace McGovern.

Unfortunately no to Marchbank. Very unfortunate.

Voss and co. appear to learning.

We are not that far away. Have I heard that before?


We're looking at Barass, Ben McKay and Himmelberg I believe, as a stop-gap down back

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 7:26 am 
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i think ben mckay will drive us nuts. positively nuts. i haven't seen much of barass. himmelburg is good when ever i watch gws. so, we need a tall defender who can kick, and we need a small forward who can crumb and add forward pressure and kick a goal or three per game.


cripps is 30 next season, yeah?

maybe draft another big bodied mid to develop.


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