So you are ok with going backwards are you.
Industry learnt along time ago that spending time and money on apprentices is fruitless and you are far better looking for trades people from other countries.
If by the odd chance you get an apprentice who is above and beyond you will end up paying them more than you should as opposition will poach them.
The AFL isn't any different. If you go all in on apprentices you are going to be in a world of pain trying to keep them if any good.
Just look at GWS and GC.

Do a split 50/50 establish and youth

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No dramas, who are you chasing, what are their trade costs and salaries?

I’d love to get 3 ready made guns, we don’t have the money or trade assests

I don't think its all about trading in 'guns'.
We have a great spine with a sprinkling of AA's and Brownlow Medalist. We can get by with the rucks we have. Our window is open.

We just have to get more than just "apprentices" which are no guarantee when apprenticeship is over, and improve on what we have. Might be one gun and 2 good players (better than the ones we delist or Trade, to improve our list)

Th idea we have no room in the Cap is not correct. If we want to make space, we can. Have a look at what Collingwood did. Its possible.

Trading out and delisting will make the space we need (TDK, Marchbank, Philp, Ed, Fog, Plow, Dow, Cunners, Gov, and because of the many long term contracts we also have flexibility to back end or top up when Williams, LOB and Martin contracts expire.

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You could keep TDK and still be $1m+ up to spend for '24.

There’s not much further back to go, we’re 14th.

You’re right, we’ve smashed every trade in that same 6 years out of the park.

How many of the guys traded in the same 6 year period are playing ones next week? How many in the 2s, or delisted altogether.

We’ve got one first round pick and 2 fourths. There’ll be at least a second and third, maybe a fourth next year if you want both of Camporeale’s kids.

How much of that has already been spent?

If Brian Cook says the cap is tight, I’ll take his word.

Weren’t you paying him $850k for a decade?

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McGovern is the only regular forst 22 player in that list.

We’d need a ruck, but depending on what we got in return I’d be happy to draft.

And a huge no to trading out of this years draft for 2 players, no matter how good Reid is[/quote]When we line up against Hawks next week we will have 3 players playing taken from our last 6 years of National draft picks.
1 is a pick 1
Another has just started to get a regular game after being injured a lot and not impressing in the 2's
Another who has shown glimpses he could be good but drops a lot of marks gives away a lot of frees and wants to leave.

25 National draft picks in 6 years for this outcome.

I would be trading out of draft on mass

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We traded out of the first round 2 years in a row, I’d like to see us take more first round picks, not less.

Hollands and Durdin would be playing if fit.

We also have cap issues, the best way to address them is get young talent. You’re not addressing our issues with cast offs from other clubs[/quote]So you are ok with going backwards are you.
Industry learnt along time ago that spending time and money on apprentices is fruitless and you are far better looking for trades people from other countries.
If by the odd chance you get an apprentice who is above and beyond you will end up paying them more than you should as opposition will poach them.
The AFL isn't any different. If you go all in on apprentices you are going to be in a world of pain trying to keep them if any good.
Just look at GWS and GC.

Do a split 50/50 establish and youth

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There’s not much further back to go, we’re 14th.

You’re right, we’ve smashed every trade in that same 6 years out of the park.

How many of the guys traded in the same 6 year period are playing ones next week? How many in the 2s, or delisted altogether.

We’ve got one first round pick and 2 fourths. There’ll be at least a second and third, maybe a fourth next year if you want both of Camporeale’s kids.



There are 9 to 10 traded in that will play next week. There are 4 or 5 that come from sloppy 2nds draft.

With the exception of the No 1's and 2015 the National draft has been a total disaster for Carlton so why would you even contemplate going to that well again.

I piss myself when someone post on here we should trade Coleman, Brownlow and AA for 2 first round picks. They obviously don't look around the room.


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When we line up against Hawks next week we will have 3 players playing taken from our last 6 years of National draft picks.
1 is a pick 1
Another has just started to get a regular game after being injured a lot and not impressing in the 2's
Another who has shown glimpses he could be good but drops a lot of marks gives away a lot of frees and wants to leave.

25 National draft picks in 6 years for this outcome.

I would be trading out of draft on mass

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We traded out of the first round 2 years in a row, I’d like to see us take more first round picks, not less.

Hollands and Durdin would be playing if fit.

We also have cap issues, the best way to address them is get young talent. You’re not addressing our issues with cast offs from other clubs[/quote]So you are ok with going backwards are you.
Industry learnt along time ago that spending time and money on apprentices is fruitless and you are far better looking for trades people from other countries.
If by the odd chance you get an apprentice who is above and beyond you will end up paying them more than you should as opposition will poach them.
The AFL isn't any different. If you go all in on apprentices you are going to be in a world of pain trying to keep them if any good.
Just look at GWS and GC.

Do a split 50/50 establish and youth

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There’s not much further back to go, we’re 14th.

You’re right, we’ve smashed every trade in that same 6 years out of the park.

How many of the guys traded in the same 6 year period are playing ones next week? How many in the 2s, or delisted altogether.

We’ve got one first round pick and 2 fourths. There’ll be at least a second and third, maybe a fourth next year if you want both of Camporeale’s kids.



There are 9 to 10 traded in that will play next week. There are 4 or 5 that come from sloppy 2nds draft.

With the exception of the No 1's and 2015 the National draft has been a total disaster for Carlton so why would you even contemplate going to that well again.

I piss myself when someone post on here we should trade Coleman, Brownlow and AA for 2 first round picks. They obviously don't look around the room.


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The best players in the side were drafted. The best players traded in cost a premium.

I piss myself when I read Carlton are a couple players away…talk about delusional

Really hope these Campo twins come good. We’ve had a baron run with father sons and also got no benefit out of the next generation academies when you could match bids within first two rounds. Obviously this is all luck but it certainly helps.

Geelong premiership core includes Ablett, Scarlett and Hawkins.
Collingwood have 2x Daicos and Moore plus Quaynor through academy.
Dogs got Libba and Darcy plus Ugle Hagan through academy.
Melbourne get Viney.
Brisbane get Ashcroft and Fletcher last year and Andrews through academy.
No need to even outline who Sydney have got through academy.
Carlton get JSOS (honest toiler but no where near a star) as best father son in last 15-20 years (since Waite) and Akeui as best from academy who isn’t AFL standard yet.

Not all teams have had luck in this respect but it definitely helps and we haven’t had any for 15 years

This.
PS. What happened to Ben Silvagni?

Good question Bluey. Not too sure but I think after he was delisted he went to the Northern Bullants in the VFL for at least a year or two and now is playing in the local leagues

HA….

remember when all the talk was about the youngest
Silvagni…Tom…?

he was going to be the best of the lot…!

they said the same about the Clokes…and the Daicos’s’s…!

one out of three…!


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Brian Cook also said, back in 2022, when he said the cap is tighty, that Carlton will focus on the Draft, and did. That was last year.
Tight last year, doesn't mean we cant trade in or trade out, or are inflexible, or that it is a problem, nor that the same applies in 2023.

If the numbers in the Herald Sun can be believed, Carlton pay Cripps 900, Weiters on 750, Walsh 750, Gov front loaded), Harry 700, Zac 700, Charlie 650, Saad 600 = Total 8 players 5.6M add another front loaded Martin on 600 too = 9 players on 6M

Have a look at the Tigers



https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-rich-100-how-richmond-will-handle-three-players-earning-more-than-a-million-dollars-in-2024/news-story/9a4ee850eeeb03875fd6d77f7d7f6f3d

3 players on 3.3M

Tarranto 700, Hopper 700, Prestia 625, Vlastuin 600, There's another 2.6M

That's 7 Richmond players on 6M compared to Carlton's 9 players at 6M. Cripps, Gov, Martin and Saad front loaded whereas Lynch's is back loaded.

Yeah, our cap may be tight, but last year we took Hollands on minimum and Acres for 400, but delisted round 1 picks Setters and Stocker, Williamson, Newnes and Hayes. I'm sure the change was used to front load players.

This year we can say good bye to Ed, Fog, Marchy, Dow, Philp and possibly TDK, Gov and Cunners. We will have bucks to retain TDK if he wants to be a carltonian, on our terms, or plenty of other options.

Getting rid of 8 contracts wont be for 8 draftees alone. Guraranteed. I am not delusional. I refuse to froth up because of our bad kicking, and a couple of new players traded in, may just be the tonic.

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3 players on 3.3M

Tarranto 700, Hopper 700, Prestia 625, Vlastuin 600, There's another 2.6M

That's 7 Richmond players on 6M compared to Carlton's 9 players at 6M. Cripps, Gov, Martin and Saad front loaded whereas Lynch's is back loaded.

Yeah, our cap may be tight, but last year we took Hollands on minimum and Acres for 400, but delisted round 1 picks Setters and Stocker, Williamson, Newnes and Hayes. I'm sure the change was used to front load players.

This year we can say good bye to Ed, Fog, Marchy, Dow, Philp and possibly TDK, Gov and Cunners. We will have bucks to retain TDK if he wants to be a carltonian, on our terms, or plenty of other options.

Getting rid of 8 contracts wont be for 8 draftees alone. Guraranteed. I am not delusional. I refuse to froth up because of our bad kicking, and a couple of new players traded in, may just be the tonic.

Glass is half full :bee

The conversation has drifted from what I originally said, don’t trade out of this years draft, give up TDK and next year’s second for 2 players, no matter how good Reid is.

We’ve got 1 early pick then nothing until the 50s. I’d suggest move next years first forward if possible and use it on addressing our weaknesses through the draft. There seems to be enough highly rated kids in the first few picks that we should be able to achieve this. If not we’ve got more problems.

I may be wrong but I recall Cook talking to our tight salary cap this year, and in relation to TDK. I don’t claim to have inside knowledge and rely on hearsay like everyone else. I do assume, and accept I could be wrong, that much of the savings have been accounted for in increased salaries and other resignings.

I don’t wan to make the 8, I want a flag. Most of the above will still be firing in 2 years and I’d rather take top talent from the draft with an eye to sustained improvement and success.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-rich-100-how-richmond-will-handle-three-players-earning-more-than-a-million-dollars-in-2024/news-story/9a4ee850eeeb03875fd6d77f7d7f6f3d

3 players on 3.3M

Tarranto 700, Hopper 700, Prestia 625, Vlastuin 600, There's another 2.6M

That's 7 Richmond players on 6M compared to Carlton's 9 players at 6M. Cripps, Gov, Martin and Saad front loaded whereas Lynch's is back loaded.

Yeah, our cap may be tight, but last year we took Hollands on minimum and Acres for 400, but delisted round 1 picks Setters and Stocker, Williamson, Newnes and Hayes. I'm sure the change was used to front load players.

This year we can say good bye to Ed, Fog, Marchy, Dow, Philp and possibly TDK, Gov and Cunners. We will have bucks to retain TDK if he wants to be a carltonian, on our terms, or plenty of other options.

Getting rid of 8 contracts wont be for 8 draftees alone. Guraranteed. I am not delusional. I refuse to froth up because of our bad kicking, and a couple of new players traded in, may just be the tonic.

Glass is half full :bee

The conversation has drifted from what I originally said, don’t trade out of this years draft, give up TDK and next year’s second for 2 players, no matter how good Reid is.

We’ve got 1 early pick then nothing until the 50s. I’d suggest move next years first forward if possible and use it on addressing our weaknesses through the draft. There seems to be enough highly rated kids in the first few picks that we should be able to achieve this. If not we’ve got more problems.

I may be wrong but I recall Cook talking to our tight salary cap this year, and in relation to TDK. I don’t claim to have inside knowledge and rely on hearsay like everyone else. I do assume, and accept I could be wrong, that much of the savings have been accounted for in increased salaries and other resignings.

I don’t wan to make the 8, I want a flag. Most of the above will still be firing in 2 years and I’d rather take top talent from the draft with an eye to sustained improvement and success.

@bondi, Richmond is paying the price for three flags. We’ve gone backwards and have a similar wage structure

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If you can find where I wrote that I'd love to see it. I'm against 5 year contracts so doubt I'd be advocating 10. Would still keep TDK if given the choice. He has two years to go until he hits free agency, so I'd be offering him a very healthy two year deal and then let the market dictate what he's worth at the end of 2025.