Its really interesting how both Cuningham and Marchbank have endured calf issues following their ACL ops.
Never heard that before. Strange. Have you heard of that before?

I don't agree he goes MIA when fit. In fact, his issue is that he does go where angels fear to tread and isn't afraid to put his body on the line.

One year...even rookie I would be happy with IF he gets back on the ground and plays out a good number of consecutive games.

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At the end of the day, we have to be tighter than we have been with our offer.

Its all about cap space.

I dont think Cuningham will cost us much if we want to keep him for another year, but that depends on how his body handles the rigours of AFL footy over the next 10 weeks.

I wouldnt be offering Gresham more than $500K ... if he really stands out this next 10 weeks, then I would consider $550K, if Saints offer him $450-$500K, but I would be offering $600K. Cerra and Saad are $600 and both warrant AA selection...not sure Gresham is even considered in the AA conversation.

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After watching the Saints against Richmond I wouldn't be offering Gresham anything.

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typical Carlton F....k.g recruiting go and get a name player this time is Gresham offer more $ ,very very weak for me ,haven't we learnt from Gov,Martin,Thomas,Williams go out find a Ash Johnson ,nick Martin,John Noble go find diamond .I just hope all this Gresham talk is CRAP.

If we look to keep Marchbank or Cuningham I would keep list spots spare and give them the pre season to prove their fitness.

If they get through One year as a rookie with match payments

Changed my mind. I wouldn't mind Gresham now.

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Not interested in Gresham personally.
We would have to give him big money, long term deal. He’s a RFA meaning he’s in the top 25% for salary at St Kilda. He’s not going to come on the cheap. Every chance it will be in the realm of 700k pa for 5 years.
He’s an above average player but we’ve got to get away from overpaying for output.
We’re 14th with a tight salary cap. That should not be the case.
Need to learn from the mistakes we’ve made with McGovern, Williams, Martin deals.
Go to the draft and find a Gresham type player who we will pay 100-150k for first 2 years. A player that could have a 12-15 year Carlton career.
If we’ve got space in the salary cap roll forward money owed to our stars to free up space into the future or put money towards another key defender which may be a need

At the right price I would jump at him. He is the right age and plays a role we need filling. If we trade McGovern TDK and maybe Fishger whilst delisting a few players, replacing them with draftees our Salary Cap is in a good position.

I am keen on James Jordan at Melbourne who is also a FA.

Just checked the contract situation of the above players from the Carlton website to clarify a couple, noted above. Neither of McGovern or TDK are Free Agents. Out of contract come season end, yes, but not free agents, so if they were to leave it'd almost certainly be via trade.

Our only other remaining free agents (as I've read it), in addition to Ed & Plow on the above list, are JSOS, Cunners and Durdin (tall).

Not sure why we would even consider perennial injured players stay on our list, even if they are first 22.
It has been our achilles heel for too many years.
Time to move them on first over durable players, even if they are only depth/VFL players at best.

Yeah I agree with that, I kind of went soft on Marchbank last year because he looked good in his brief return, but it's just one thing after another with the kid, plays a game and then disappears with "general soreness"... nah, we gotta be tough this year, even if he comes back after the bye and plays 9 in a row (narrator: he didn't) it's a "no" from me. Same for Philp and S.Durdin. Cunners is the only one I'm willing to take a punt on. I think we can allow ourselves one punt, trouble is we've been taking half a dozen every year for what feels like forever.

I think you should wait until the end of the year before you too excited with Cunners, he may only play a few more games.

A snippet in the Age today
Suggesting McGovern wants to stay
Kempy close to another deal

Fish on the lookout for other opportunities

Not clear that Gresham necessarily wants us or he has decided to leave stkilda

I see what you did there

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Why would Gresham want out of St Kilda? Just for $? Can we afford that?

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Need to make some hard decisions at the end of the year and I believe we will.

Marchbank Cuningham will need to prove their fitness and even then I think we will only keep one at the most. We will let Fisher go for bugger all

Draft Picks will be a priority as we need an injection of young talent and it helps our Salary Cap

See this is where I would be more specific. The question is not are they injury prone but why they get injured. Does the fact that Doc suffered two serious knee injuries mean he is injury prone? I would also suggest that often the injuries that are ongoing issues like soft tissue injuries result from lack of fitness and with Voss game plan a number of our players were caught being unfit. As their fitness improves and they learn what is needed individually to recover post game and then prepare for the next game those soft tissue injuries should abate (maybe we are already starting to see that). If they are in our best 26 then we need to keep them. How do we get better if we trade our better players? Marchbank, Cunningham and McGovern shouldn't cost a lot to resign for another year and personally I see them all being part of our next premiership.

Spewing... former fanatical Carlton fan Josh Rachele has signed a new long-term deal that ties him to Adelaide until the end of the 2029 season.

He was pick six at the 2021 national draft and has booted 33 goals in 26 games over his first two seasons.

His desire is to taste the ultimate success with Adelaide and end his career as a one-club player.

He typifies the type of small forward we are after, not Gresham. Even ex Tigers Butler and Higgins seem more dynamic than Gresham.

Another is Cody Weightman from the Doggies, or Melb's Pickett, or Geelong's Stengle, or Swans' Papley.

Why do we need to look for a small forward to fill the hole Betts left when we have taken Motlop and Durdin in consecutive years.

Answer is, they have shown nothing in their first or second years that the the abovementioned small forwards did in their first 2 years, who are quicker, more elusive and kick more goals than our 2-4 (if we add Fisher and Owies).

We have failed to nail the small forward, and I am still envious of the small forwards most other teams have. I dont think Motlop will get quicker, ditto Durdin.

One thing filling a hole with a player and another thing to fill the hole with a star.

Gresham didn't look like he was worth $600 vs Tigers.

Gresham Kicked a goal, had 16 disposals, over 82% game time. Not that great when the Saints really needed a win. Now Papley, or Rachele, or Pickett, they'd be getting up to $600; Picket maybe a tad more.

Is he a real upgrade to what we have: we have OK, but average small forwards. I mean a big upgrade on what we have in Motlop and Durdin (Owies is a Cat B success/bonus)

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If we were talking about Papley I'd understand all the interest in trying to snare him. Maybe I just haven't seen enough of Gresham

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I havent been thrilled with the performance of Durdin and Motlop but think you are too harsh on them given their age and the number of games they have played -very much learning the caper
Still very young and I think they have shown signs that each may make it

Agree none of our small forwards have express pace and that is a problem
Owies Motlop or durdin -Durdin has more pace than the other 2

We also struggle for half forwards martin and cunningham rarely fit and JSOS has had a pretty ordinary season but doesnt help when he never stays in one position
I think thats why they want Gresham he is more a hff opportunist having said that Im not really wanting him and certainly at 700 Forget about it

Forward line needs work to grg dynergird right but also drlivery into the forward line is an issue too