Sorry like Marchbank but no way he stays on the list if he fails to play seniors this year given the number of players we have on our list who dont play footy for years and years and how this has caused list management issues and senior team quality issues for the last 3 years - Philip regrettably is another like Marchbank

Williams martin mcgovern cunningham others who play seldomly

We want these guys to succeed and they all have talent but there are reasons why we are languishing down at 15 th good sides dont carry that many injury prone players on their lists -we need to be brutal here not benevolent


Hopefully Martin and cunningham have turned the corner but who knows

Can no longer carry that many injury plagued players who are compromising list management flexibility and salary cap flecibility

Agree with Frank.
When making delisting decisions at the end of the year, Marchbank is the first to go.

Of course Frank . Tough decisions have to be made . Me , i'm just seeing how the year unfolds before i would make any calls . Where it is going to be hard is the usual suspects are extremely talented .

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Agree with Frank
Got to judge players based on the output they provide the club, not the hope that they could suddenly come good
Martin and Williams have contracts for next year and beyond in the case of Williams so they will be there
Cuningham, Marchbank, McGovern and Philp all had to prove they could get fit and perform at senior level to remain
McGovern has done that but think he might be on the way out to another club willing to give him a multi year deal on reasonable money
Cuningham finally back in the side, looked pretty good yesterday but has 9 games to prove he’s durable enough to remain
Marchbank has 9 games to save his career. He needs to show he can stay fit and warrant senior selection
Philp well the boat has already sailed for him unfortunately

The other thing about Marchbank is that we now have Kemp thriving in his role, and we have Weitering and Young as intercept mark options. So as good as he is, he doesn't get as much slack from me as someone like Cuningham, who we desperately need more of.

Agree Ex in my view if cunningham is fit and playing regular senior footy we dont for example need Gresham

Be a disaster if Marchbank was preferred to any of the guys you mention but especially Kemp

We should get the best kid available from the draft rather than another mature ager. We already have plenty of those.

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Spot on

Organic changes would be replacing the bottom players with 8+ years on the job via the drafts. Our problem is that we’re also going to turn over a big group of 4-7 year players.

It just isn’t feasible to replace them all with 18 year olds.

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23-25 year olds on the list.

Players who you’d expect to have 50-100 games experience.

Fisher
Boyd
Young
Fogarty
De Koning
O’Brien
Cerra
Dow
Mirkov
Cottrell
Walsh
Kemp
Philp
Honey

14 players.

3 at their second club.
4 others worked or working their way up from the rookie list.
5 drafted by us in the top 20.

I reckon we wouldn’t notice if we lost as many as nine of them.

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/ to go. Total 5.

// possibility to go. Total 3

Equals 8. Who did I miss? Dow? Shame if he is let go. He should be played but not as sub.

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I don't think anyone is suggesting we keep Marchbank if he doesn't get on the park this year.

The question is, what do we do if he does, and performs well?

There are plenty of players we can delist, or might lose to free agency, to free up enough spots for the draft/free agency.

What's the most amount of players we've ever turned over in a year? What's the most a club could reasonably turnover?

Hypothetically, if we delist/lose 6 or more of the following:

Fisher
LOB
Philp
McGovern to F/A
TDK to F/A
Ed
Plowman
Honey (I hope not but his name keeps coming up as a potential delisting)

Surely it's worth giving Marchbank another year? How many potential best 22 players do you think we will get this off-season, especially considering our current draft picks?

Some people are calling it a tad early, I reckon.

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Why can't we have both?

Would we be better with Gresham & Cuningham? Our issue at the moment is depth

Maybe but Cunningham isnt costing us $700,000 plus Gresham will
Is that where we want to spend the money and do we have other needs to spend 700K
On

Pretty sure Fisher and LOB are contracted so wont be delisted.
Reports Fisher may have some interest elsewhere so could potentially be a trade.
Purely speculation at this point whether Gov or TDK go via free agency. JSOS another who could go that way.
At this stage, you'd think unlikely Dow stays.

Having said all that, I'd argue we've hung onto Marchbank too long. Need to know when to cut our losses. Yes when fully fit he is comfortably best 22. However, all he has proven is that his body is not cut out for AFL footy unfortunately.

If Marchbank gets on the park and can stay there, I think we should keep him obvs on lower coin. I could see him playing in the backline but also on the wing. If he stays fit…


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If Cuningham plays out the year I would offer a one year deal
One
Gotta see if his body holds up particularly in relation to his calves
When he has been fit he simply has gone MIA too often
But he has pace and is a beautiful kick
Something we have in short supply

I wouldn't be spending $700k on Gresham. I would hope it's $600k max a year over 4-5 years

Even at the that amount it doesn't stop us keeping Cuningham or getting draftees

I love what a fit Cuningham brings to the table - but I’d suggest a 1 week rolling contract is the go.

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