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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:10 am 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Whisper Cuners is playing

Strong whisper
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1358826

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:15 am 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Whisper Cuners is playing

Confirmed by Voss today. https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/13588 ... am-returns


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:27 am 
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Sources: Lachie Fogarty joins David Cuningham in a long awaited return to AFL action on Sunday. Whilst the final line up is still being confirmed, Fogarty will be in the 22 for his first time since Round 4, 2022, averaging 23.4 disposals, 3.9 marks & 5.7 tackles in the VFL.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:29 am 
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I have to say, I have never been a big FOG fan but he was really good last week. Industrious but nonetheless effective and maybe his workman-like approach and attitude might benefit the team.

Too many pea hearts have been playing for us this year.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:37 am 
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Paddycripps wrote:
I have to say, I have never been a big FOG fan but he was really good last week. Industrious but nonetheless effective and maybe his workman-like approach and attitude might benefit the team.

Too many pea hearts have been playing for us this year.


I actually agree with you on this - I thought he added a lot of pressure and also "forward line management" last week. Lots of voice and directing others - we could do with that, obviously.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:41 am 
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bluebo baggers wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
I have to say, I have never been a big FOG fan but he was really good last week. Industrious but nonetheless effective and maybe his workman-like approach and attitude might benefit the team.

Too many pea hearts have been playing for us this year.


I actually agree with you on this - I thought he added a lot of pressure and also "forward line management" last week. Lots of voice and directing others - we could do with that, obviously.


Same. It's his workrate and pressure is why I wanted him in


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:43 am 
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Jaxon Binns Alex Cincotta David Cuningham Ed Curnow Paddy Dow Lachie Fogarty Matthew Kennedy Lewis Young

Can't see Binns in as they would have announced it

Surely Cincotta isn't dropped. Cuningham Fogarty in. My guess is Kennedy for other spot which makes Dow bloody unlucky


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:54 am 
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Dow sub again apparently

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2023 12:21 pm 
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He was an All Australian defender two ACLs ago, and we've since brought in Saad and McGovern to that structure. He's the least effective of that three. Ive said it in other threads but I can't see how you can play all three in the same back fifty when there's no willingness to see accountability for their man as part of their JD, and are seemingly just there to rack up the kick in stats.

Even pre-ACL he was pretty ordinary as a one on one defender. I admit there's a matchup there with Ainsworth who isn't going to trouble him too much overhead and isn't that quick, in Newman's absence.

Three tackles in the last two weeks of football. Bugger all pressure acts and you've been just as critical as anyone re his effectiveness at the centre bounce. He's not winning the footy, he's not doing enough to stop the opposition getting their hands on it and when he is getting it, he's racking up counterproductive Matt Crouch style possessions.

If we're going to persist with this win the contest/immediately handball to the defensive side of the square set up, I'd like to see them try Saad in the starting four as that handball receiver, as he's likely to be the most productive. Adelaide certainly looked a lot better when they dropped Crouch and added Laird into their starting centre bounce line up and I feel it's worth replicating here.

I think Docherty has a role in the team as a defensive half forward. He's arguably our most reliable set shot on goal. He's competing with Ed for that spot, who did well on Merrett, and therefore deserves to keep his spot. Instead, I'd drop Doc because it's clear there's inconsistent effort with respect to the defensive side of his game.

Agree re Cripps to a wing


Well put argument to drop Doc. So its between Ed and Doc? I'd take Doc as a HF.

Saad sprints hard and for long distances. He needs a breather every now and then. He's not Cousins; no one is.

I think the midfield group needs that Crouch clean out like you suggest.

Hewett is back this week. I like Cerra and Saad in the guts with an inform Kennedy and Walsh.
Cripps with Kennedy, or Kennedy with Hewett at the same time = slow midfield imo.

I not going to pretend to understand how Cripps on a wing works.


It doesn't
I'm all for throwing the magnets around but that one is a no no from me
Wings are open spaces usually and require speed and endurance. Cripps has neither...he just jogs from contest to contest with the odd 20-30m "slow" bursts
I'd love to see Charlie own a wing for short periods...can be the exit kick, can kick accurately into F50, is tall enough o beat an opponent on the 45 degree switch down the line, can defend and obviously can be a dangerous target I50

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2023 1:42 pm 
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Cripps on the wing?
Lobotomy anyone?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2023 1:43 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
bluebo baggers wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
I have to say, I have never been a big FOG fan but he was really good last week. Industrious but nonetheless effective and maybe his workman-like approach and attitude might benefit the team.

Too many pea hearts have been playing for us this year.


I actually agree with you on this - I thought he added a lot of pressure and also "forward line management" last week. Lots of voice and directing others - we could do with that, obviously.


Same. It's his workrate and pressure is why I wanted him in


I just hope, if he does play as suggested, he isn't played purely as a forward.
He is best as a midfielder, judging off what I saw last week.
Admittedly it is a big step up playing midfield in the Twos to the Ones.
Look, he could hardly kick it any worse than his 21 teammates could he?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2023 2:27 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
Dow sub again apparently


Poor bloke he will get dropped next week because he hasn't played a full game in 3 weeks. :donk:

I've liked his last two weeks he adds a bit of life into our dull under performing midfield.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2023 2:28 pm 
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I hope its bullshit.

I think he deserves a full game this week

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2023 3:11 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
Jaxon Binns Alex Cincotta David Cuningham Ed Curnow Paddy Dow Lachie Fogarty Matthew Kennedy Lewis Young

Can't see Binns in as they would have announced it

Surely Cincotta isn't dropped. Cuningham Fogarty in. My guess is Kennedy for other spot which makes Dow bloody unlucky

I will say Cuningham, Kennedy, Fogarty and Cincotta with Dow the sub.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2023 3:35 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
He was an All Australian defender two ACLs ago, and we've since brought in Saad and McGovern to that structure. He's the least effective of that three. Ive said it in other threads but I can't see how you can play all three in the same back fifty when there's no willingness to see accountability for their man as part of their JD, and are seemingly just there to rack up the kick in stats.

Even pre-ACL he was pretty ordinary as a one on one defender. I admit there's a matchup there with Ainsworth who isn't going to trouble him too much overhead and isn't that quick, in Newman's absence.

Three tackles in the last two weeks of football. Bugger all pressure acts and you've been just as critical as anyone re his effectiveness at the centre bounce. He's not winning the footy, he's not doing enough to stop the opposition getting their hands on it and when he is getting it, he's racking up counterproductive Matt Crouch style possessions.

If we're going to persist with this win the contest/immediately handball to the defensive side of the square set up, I'd like to see them try Saad in the starting four as that handball receiver, as he's likely to be the most productive. Adelaide certainly looked a lot better when they dropped Crouch and added Laird into their starting centre bounce line up and I feel it's worth replicating here.

I think Docherty has a role in the team as a defensive half forward. He's arguably our most reliable set shot on goal. He's competing with Ed for that spot, who did well on Merrett, and therefore deserves to keep his spot. Instead, I'd drop Doc because it's clear there's inconsistent effort with respect to the defensive side of his game.

Agree re Cripps to a wing


Well put argument to drop Doc. So its between Ed and Doc? I'd take Doc as a HF.

Saad sprints hard and for long distances. He needs a breather every now and then. He's not Cousins; no one is.

I think the midfield group needs that Crouch clean out like you suggest.

Hewett is back this week. I like Cerra and Saad in the guts with an inform Kennedy and Walsh.
Cripps with Kennedy, or Kennedy with Hewett at the same time = slow midfield imo.

I not going to pretend to understand how Cripps on a wing works.


It doesn't
I'm all for throwing the magnets around but that one is a no no from me
Wings are open spaces usually and require speed and endurance. Cripps has neither...he just jogs from contest to contest with the odd 20-30m "slow" bursts


Sidebottom isn't quick, not is Acres, nor is Langdon, nor is Josh Daicos, nor is Hunter etc etc etc. The game has evolved significantly since clubs played speedsters on the wing. Acres was an inside mid when drafted.
Port played Ollie Wines on a wing the past month until he was moved back on ball last night. It hasn't done them any harm. Don't underestimate Cripps' endurance.
The role requires coverage on the defensive side of the stoppages, pushing back to provide an extra defender when required and an outlet option from defence. It requires football smarts more than speed. That's why Collingwood play Sidebottom there. It's also why Cottrell struggles.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2023 3:50 pm 
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I hope its bullshit.

I think he deserves a full game this week

Better if he was the unused emergency.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2023 4:01 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
bluebo baggers wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
I have to say, I have never been a big FOG fan but he was really good last week. Industrious but nonetheless effective and maybe his workman-like approach and attitude might benefit the team.

Too many pea hearts have been playing for us this year.


I actually agree with you on this - I thought he added a lot of pressure and also "forward line management" last week. Lots of voice and directing others - we could do with that, obviously.


Same. It's his workrate and pressure is why I wanted him in


I just hope, if he does play as suggested, he isn't played purely as a forward.
He is best as a midfielder, judging off what I saw last week.
Admittedly it is a big step up playing midfield in the Twos to the Ones.
Look, he could hardly kick it any worse than his 21 teammates could he?


He is working mid. Another who doesn't have great leg speed. Positive is he and Cuningham with Martin can play up forward and give the midfield some breathers.

Having Cripps Kennedy Walsh Cerra Fogarty Cuningham Docherty Martin gives us more options


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2023 4:11 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
99prelim wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
He was an All Australian defender two ACLs ago, and we've since brought in Saad and McGovern to that structure. He's the least effective of that three. Ive said it in other threads but I can't see how you can play all three in the same back fifty when there's no willingness to see accountability for their man as part of their JD, and are seemingly just there to rack up the kick in stats.

Even pre-ACL he was pretty ordinary as a one on one defender. I admit there's a matchup there with Ainsworth who isn't going to trouble him too much overhead and isn't that quick, in Newman's absence.

Three tackles in the last two weeks of football. Bugger all pressure acts and you've been just as critical as anyone re his effectiveness at the centre bounce. He's not winning the footy, he's not doing enough to stop the opposition getting their hands on it and when he is getting it, he's racking up counterproductive Matt Crouch style possessions.

If we're going to persist with this win the contest/immediately handball to the defensive side of the square set up, I'd like to see them try Saad in the starting four as that handball receiver, as he's likely to be the most productive. Adelaide certainly looked a lot better when they dropped Crouch and added Laird into their starting centre bounce line up and I feel it's worth replicating here.

I think Docherty has a role in the team as a defensive half forward. He's arguably our most reliable set shot on goal. He's competing with Ed for that spot, who did well on Merrett, and therefore deserves to keep his spot. Instead, I'd drop Doc because it's clear there's inconsistent effort with respect to the defensive side of his game.

Agree re Cripps to a wing


Well put argument to drop Doc. So its between Ed and Doc? I'd take Doc as a HF.

Saad sprints hard and for long distances. He needs a breather every now and then. He's not Cousins; no one is.

I think the midfield group needs that Crouch clean out like you suggest.

Hewett is back this week. I like Cerra and Saad in the guts with an inform Kennedy and Walsh.
Cripps with Kennedy, or Kennedy with Hewett at the same time = slow midfield imo.

I not going to pretend to understand how Cripps on a wing works.


It doesn't
I'm all for throwing the magnets around but that one is a no no from me
Wings are open spaces usually and require speed and endurance. Cripps has neither...he just jogs from contest to contest with the odd 20-30m "slow" bursts


Sidebottom isn't quick, not is Acres, nor is Langdon, nor is Josh Daicos, nor is Hunter etc etc etc. The game has evolved significantly since clubs played speedsters on the wing. Acres was an inside mid when drafted.
Port played Ollie Wines on a wing the past month until he was moved back on ball last night. It hasn't done them any harm. Don't underestimate Cripps' endurance.
The role requires coverage on the defensive side of the stoppages, pushing back to provide an extra defender when required and an outlet option from defence. It requires football smarts more than speed. That's why Collingwood play Sidebottom there. It's also why Cottrell struggles.

Langdon is pretty quick. 2.92s for 20m and at a guess the rest would be quicker than Cripps.
I personally think Cripps would struggle on the wing with the repeated sprinting required, a lot more different to what he does now IMO.
I think the wing also requires foot skills and unfortunately we have brought in not 1 but 2 players that kicking was their weakness from draft.
You have also highlighted another issue with our wing role, it's all defensive and little attack and is part of the reason we have lost run and quick transition this year.
The role has lost the transition/linking and F50 entry requirement as the forwards are all down the ground clogging up outside the F50 instead.
I agree with the footy smarts, which is why LOB is so frustrating he hasn't worked on his defensive game enough, he has the smarts and the foot skills going forward but fails under defensive situations and pressure to often.
If we could only mix Hollands and LOB and we'd be fine.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2023 4:21 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
I hope its bullshit.

I think he deserves a full game this week


I agree he deserves a run.


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The way Dow has been treated, is nothing short of DISGRACEFUL. Others like Kemp are also setup to fail. It really breaks my heart thinking how far we as a club have dropped in professionalism.


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