Paddycripps wrote:
If we start to get pumped, he will go, because you can't lose the players.
If the effort is still there (for 75% of games at least!) and we continue to lose games by 20-30 points then he will get to coach next year, and really that is enough time for him to try and make amends.
If he doesn't fix shit by mid 2024 he will be shown the door.
At the end of the day, the buck stops with the coach.
Yeah he might get a reprieve and they may sack some assistant coaches, but I laugh when people say things like 'goal kicking is not his responsibility, that rests with the forwards coach'. Because tell me then what is the head coach's role/responsibility? It was widely reported when we were on the hunt for the next coach that game plan only made up around 10% of the criteria (which amazes me by the way, I mean tell me McRae's game style isn't the no.1 thing that has Collingwood at the top of the table and premiership favourites). If it isn't goal kicking (and by extension how the defenders play and how the mids play and clearances etc and if game plan isn't that important) then what the hell does the Carlton head coach do? Are they merely paid big bucks to do pressers and say stuff like 'we will go to work on that'?
If you ask me, Voss is the conductor of the orchestra. If the line coaches aren't doing their jobs well enough he needs to stop the music and tell them to pull their fingers out. If the game plan has been worked out by other teams and our game plan doesn't work as a result then he needs to be proactive and find a Plan B. If Harry isn't kicking well then he needs to talk to the forwards coach and Harry and say 'guys fkn fix it!'.
Make no mistake he is ultimately responsible. If Harry continues to kick poorly because as Stevie J said the other night his body is at the wrong angle when lining up for goal, then surely Voss should take ultimate responsibility for this for letting things be so wrong for so long. If I was Voss I'd be all over the Harry issue and every week asking why the fkc the problem hasn't been fixed yet. Because ultimately his arse will be on the line, not just the forwards coach.
And it is in this respect that I do lay the blame at his feet, because EVERYTHING seems to have gone wrong. The ball movement from defense. The midfield not dominating like early last year. The forwards not kicking goals. The mids not kicking goals. Cripps playing terribly. Harry's kicking issues dragging on for so long. Every player except for Cerra playing below their best.
EVERYTING (except Cerra) has gone wrong Michael. So fkn fix it !!
There is a famous saying when players struggle to adapt at big clubs: “The shirt was too heavy”.
I agree, ultimately the coach is responsible.
I'm not concerned about what some say regarding percentages (10% Game Plan), because the coaches role is all encompassing: to manage coaches, players, support staff, and address the issues, and most important of all, a people manager with good knowledge of his game.
Carlton fans are known for their passion, for their loyalty, for their attenedance. If you look at the way some Carlton spectators eat their own after a loss, its no wonder they are feeling low, not just with confidence but self esteem. Hence they love playing for a big club but may not be equipped to wear the weight of the shirt that comes with it.
I think that Vossy is a great motivator.
I think Vossy does pick up the pieces on Monday mornings to bring an air of confidence in players who had a bad game.
I think we are still on a rebuild.
I think SOS stripped the list too hard
I think SOS picked too many of the same kind (inside mids), and failed with nearly all of them
I think SOS got a lot of them wrong as far as the character they need to play for a big club like Carlton.
I think Cook is the right guy to right the ship.
I'm hopeful Austin will balance out the list, but not in one year.
I think you're assuming that Vossy isnt talking to players about their flaws, and line coaches about their players.
I agree that Vossy and his TEAM have to fix it.
He can't shy away from that responsibility.
But its a big club, with big issues but we are in a better place to build a team for a success than when we got Judd to add to the 3 x No1 Draft picks.
The major pieces are there. The flawed players are being highlighted. The flaws in good players will be eradicated and sharpened.
This year is a failure, but it may just be the failure we needed.
My gripe with Vossy:
Vossy cant play favourites anymore, and he has to make positional changes when things aren't going right on the field.
He said it last week regarding Cripps "all players have dips in form, and Cripps is out of form". Then why allow Cripps to continue to get beaten in the midfield contest when we have Kennedy who is in good form? Vossy is learning about his troops. Hence, maybe its the year we needed.
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