If Cerra was in a premiership team he would be the third or fourth mid
He is a very good solid well rounded footballer

Is he as good as Butters,Oliver, Petracca Merrett,Dunkley.,Rozee
No he isn’t

I questioned what the club gave up for him
A first and third rounder was too much imo
He was the fourth or fifth best mid after Bradshaw, Fyfe, Mundy and Serong
He has improved since his Freo time
But if he is our best mid we are in trouble

our players have lost confidence ,what a lot of crap the players making mistakes have been in the system long enough ,they are just not good enough simple.

actually we are getting a lot of shots on goals and dominating periods of play (often first halves - Saints/Essendon**) and that is with us playing an absolute shithouse brand, makes me think the list is not as bad as the wrist slashers would have us believe. It needs some pace, but a side of


Newman Durdin Kemp
Saad Weitering Williams
Hollands Cripps Binns
Martin Curnow Cunningham
Durdin McKay Young (ruck/forward - could this be Lemmey?)

Pitto
Walsh
Cerra
Kennedy


Cincotta, Boyd, Cowan, early pick on Midfielder (with pace hopefully)


In the wings
Philip
OKeefe
Lemmey
Honey
Owies
Motlop
Cotterell
Markov
Akuei
Hewitt
Carroll
Acres


Marchbank - probably delist (body just cannot stand up, shame I love the way he plays)
McGovern (please trade)
Dow (I think he is gone under Voss)
Fisher (trade?)
Sos (trade?)
TDK (trade?)
OBrien (trade?)
Fogarty (?)
Ed (retire?)

sorry that's a good list - yes it needs adding to it (which list doesn't) but the problem at the moment is the way they are playing not who is playing. Fix their heads cos currently they are as confused as headless chooks - am I over rating the list, well Cripps did win the brownlow last year, Walsh has had no preseason the past 2 years, Curnow & McKay have won colemans (both have flaws but this is a development issue not a list issue. I think inject some pace around Cripps and Co and keep developing Hollnds, Cowan and Binns and I think we can look to play finals next year but (and this is the one I'm struggling with ) can Voss coach? Would he be better with different support personnel? Lets not do a Mick Malty and throw the baby out with the bathwater. Steady, patient, keep building this list, its got a lot right about it.

Bondi I agree re Hewitt but its him or Kennedy I think, not both and I think Kennedy is a ripper. Kemp I'd love to try onball or HF - I was just showing that the side is good - although not so good if you do not rate Cripps McKay Curnow Williams Martin Pitto etc - of course that could be to prove a completely different point - I would like us to draft more, experiment more etc, but Williams is sorely missed in this team - so was a good selection (can't blame the ACL - there has been a few of them in the AFL). I love Martin in the side and first half he played well - too soon yes, but @#$%&! look how we were playing, we needed him or Cunners - they went with Martin.

Every side both drafts and picks players from other sides - its silly to think we wont. Can we do better well duh, but its about doing better with adding to what we have not just starting again, offloading every good player for picks etc.

Its funny I can't help but think the single worst trait of Carlton and many of its supporters is impatience. Be patient with this list. Keep working and developing, and find a way to help the players have some fun - they are at breaking point carrying the world on their shoulders.

Where did I say I wrote him off
What I’m saying is he isn’t an A grader
Maybe he will be

I think our players have totally lost confidence. Its not that we go out and recruit the most unskilled players who make the wort decisions. All our players appear that way. I believe it comes down to confidence and the way we are being coached. Either we change our game plan or we bring in new coaches. Someone like a Luke Hodge would work wonders (as a mentor to players).

And just on collingwood who are being held up
Moore
Diacos
Diacos

3 father son so likeGeelong before them a genetic gift - we got Sos.

Pointed this out to someone this week.
Doggies also doing nicely out of FS and through their academy.

We can only hope the twins come on ...

You said he's a 4th grade midfielder and is soft.

And just on collingwood who are being held up
Moore
Diacos
Diacos

3 father son so likeGeelong before them a genetic gift - we got Sos.

Yeah I did
Well I said he was the fourth or fifth best mid at Freo which he was
And he was soft
Definitely he has improved
Still not an A grader
So to be fair answer my question about Martin Mc Govern Williams
Their output fitness what they were recruited for what they have done
Quick to ask the question
Not too quick to answer the question

By the way
Watching tonight’s game
It’s a notch above what I have seen this year
We are miles off that Cerra or no Cerra
Do you watch other games?

Yeah I did
Well I said he was the fourth or fifth best mid at Freo which he was

Cerra is a fourth grade mid

And he was soft
Definitely he has improved
Still not an A grader