Saints fans don’t rate Gresham, call him soft and conditional. Reckon he might frustrate us

He'll fit straight in - 5 years at $600k would do it. Get it done Aussie.

Hilarious Gresham 123 games 125 goals
Looks ordinary as a mid
We need a winger we get Acres
We need a third banana up forward so we get McGovern
We need some run and carry through the mid so we get Martin and Williams
Now we need a small forward
So let’s get Gresham and number 17 here we come
Oh and he barracks for Carlton
Awesome

I know. How stupid.
Assessing your list and looking to address areas of weakness?
Imbeciles.

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Your ignoring our recent history
The problem isn’t that we lack a small forward
It’s far more broader than that
Gresham would be another player on a sizable salary due to free agency

The List ain’t good enough
Where do you think the List is deficient besides the small forward area?

No. In fact I need to ignore things more.
It wasn't long ago you were telling us that Adam Cerra is soft and is a 4th grade midfielder.
He's probably leading our B&F at the moment and is as tough as a cats head. Like ALL teams we have deficiencies but I believe Nick Austin is doing a good job. if he believes 1. We need Gresham. 2. We can get Gresham at the right dollars and terms, I'll back him in.

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Cerra would be leading our b and f
Which wouldn’t be hard
But we gave up a first and a third rounder
Cerra is a very good footballer
Is he as good as the A graders
No he isn’t
If he is our best mid we are in trouble

Ok to be fair
Got a comment about McGovern Williams Saad Martin?

actually we are getting a lot of shots on goals and dominating periods of play (often first halves - Saints/Essendon*) and that is with us playing an absolute shithouse brand, makes me think the list is not as bad as the wrist slashers would have us believe. It needs some pace, but a side of


Newman Durdin Kemp
Saad Weitering Williams
Hollands Cripps Binns
Martin Curnow Cunningham
Durdin McKay Young (ruck/forward - could this be Lemmey?)

Pitto
Walsh
Cerra
Kennedy


Cincotta, Boyd, Cowan, early pick on Midfielder (with pace hopefully)


In the wings
Philip
OKeefe
Lemmey
Honey
Owies
Motlop
Cotterell
Markov
Akuei
Hewitt
Carroll
Acres


Marchbank - probably delist (body just cannot stand up, shame I love the way he plays)
McGovern (please trade)
Dow (I think he is gone under Voss)
Fisher (trade?)
Sos (trade?)
TDK (trade?)
OBrien (trade?)
Fogarty (?)
Ed (retire?)

sorry that's a good list - yes it needs adding to it (which list doesn't) but the problem at the moment is the way they are playing not who is playing. Fix their heads cos currently they are as confused as headless chooks - am I over rating the list, well Cripps did win the brownlow last year, Walsh has had no preseason the past 2 years, Curnow & McKay have won colemans (both have flaws but this is a development issue not a list issue. I think inject some pace around Cripps and Co and keep developing Hollnds, Cowan and Binns and I think we can look to play finals next year but (and this is the one I'm struggling with ) can Voss coach? Would he be better with different support personnel? Lets not do a Mick Malty and throw the baby out with the bathwater. Steady, patient, keep building this list, its got a lot right about it.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

oops double post

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

list is pretty good imo. we inject 3-4 or 5 players with speed and gears and above average disposal and we're good to go.


replace some of the dinosaur mids that voss likes - ie hewitt and or kennedy with some faster, more modern mids to get the balance right. replace our bottom 3 to 4 players with better ones. trade out a couple of the cancerous ones giving us nothing (young)

we just have to get a coach who can actually coach, one who can lift these guys up to shake off all the bolton, teague's and voss's that we've dumped them with

I’ve read that there are some really good mid/forward’s available in the draft. Given we’re picking early, would that be a better option than paying $500k+ for Gresham? I get he’s a FA but have we learned nothing?

I’d like us to decrease the salary cap and have money for either a KPD or elite mid in future.

I don’t think our list is much good outside of the top 10. I’d rather add young talent than midrange, injured hacks from the Spoon Rattlers…

The argument that the list is good enough and it’s poor coaching and making bad decisions due to a lack of confidence is wrong imo

It shows a lack of foresight and a misunderstanding of where the game has gone and will continue to change
If you can’t run your in serious trouble
Collingwood have Mitchell but get away with it because they are so good everywhere else
We have recruited a bunch of blodders as a midfield
I’ve said it repeatedly and nobody questions it
Martin and Williams were brought to the club to provide midfield run
There not good enough to do that
Whether it’s a coaching issue or he can’t do it Saad continues to play in defence
Our skills our crap compared to other teams due to shit recruiting
Once we turn it over it’s game over
Our defense has been terrific given the circumstances

Then there is Cripps
He is a Brownlow medalist
He is now a ineffective footballer
He is great at winning contested ball and his vision is amazing in close
Clubs are better tactically as the game changes
If Cripps numbers are under20 we nearly always lose
Clubs play a big bodied mid on him who can run.
Even if he gets it he is under enormous pressure to get rid of it
What’s the solution
There isn’t one
He is great at what he does but he is one dimensional
Do a Grundy
Trade him pay part of his contract and get draft picks on kids


Then there is Curnow and McKay
Two big forwards guarantees you nothing
It’s old school thinking
It’s outdated
You need manic running right across the ground moving the ball forward and installing pressure when you haven’t got the aggott
Our list simply isn’t good enough to do that over 4 quarters
Therefore it needs a comeplete overall
McKay will continue to frustrate
Cripps has become outdated
DeKoning lacks mungrel

I don’t have a problem in partially pay Cripps and McKays contracts
They have currency
At least 3 first rounders

Good onya london.

No wonder they pay you the big bucks to point out the problems that are obvious to you, but not obvious to those who live it everyday.

Don't think, Do!

Do something different.

There's plenty to work through

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FA is attractive for us with no picks.

I think he's averaging only one goal a game, and I don't think he's kicking them as a mid.
The midfield role isnt his primary role. Not sure why.
He kicked about 1-2 goals a game in his first few years, and he hasnt loooked the same since.
He kicked a bag in one game and then I was spewing he resigned with saints coz I wanted that player.

I'm biased because Gresham was a Carlton supporter and I always wanted him, but he isnt as quick as he was in his frst 3-4 years. Is he quicker and better than the 4 we have now, because I think our smalls lack speed to compensate for their stature, and what do we do with the Motlop Durdin Owies & Fisher if Gresham comes on board. Well we know about Fisher.

I think Durdin is quicker than Gresham. I'm only guessing though.

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Thanks Agro.

Not as bad as I thought.

All went to shit after he extended his contract. But then again 18 games, and 11 this year says he's standing up better than the 3 Carlton players you name.

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not sure how to say this mate other than, it's not that bad.

we get the ball into the forwards quickly and harry and charlie are good to go. they're not the problem, our system is and coaches are responsible for the system. get a good A-grade small forward, a crumber, creative, fast and wants to tackle to pair with owies, (maybe?) martin and motlop and this forward line could be the best in the afl.

replace some plodders with speed and willingness. we only need to turn over 4-5 players on the list and we're good to go.

our skill is crap bcos all instinct has been trained out of the guys this offseason, and in it's place a slow methodical style of play which has no business in the modern afl.

saad isn't running bcos our set up doesn't allow for it. last year he led the league by more than double with run & carry and bounces. this year, by the looks of it, he's been ask not to sacrifice field position/ the zone we play for that run and dare.


we have an AA defender in docherty playing in the middle where he has no gears, no tricks and not much vision. get him back there - especially with williams missing.

the old school thinking you allude to, is in fact being instilled by voss and coaching. bringing in acres, a big bodied, 1-speed winger when we already had hewitt and kennedy was done to accomodate voss and the style he wants to play.

Just say you were harsh and wrong about Cerra.

Even Kane Cornes apologised about saying similar things about Cerra as you are.
You may have been influenced by Cornes because he suits your agenda.

The Football world is singing Cerras praises as he has played head to head with A Graders and won the contest. He has also earned Brownlow votes. You watch.

You are just degrading Cerra to degrade Carlton but you know he's doing an A grade job for us, week in week out, for a footballer, let alone a Carlton player because the scribes say so; every week.

Isn't that where you get your evidence from? The Media? Well they have changed their tune. You are even criticising our good players who are performing. What does that say about you? Stop the Trump trump talk and stick with the good points you make. Repeat lies often enough and some will believe you. I only believe the points that make sense about previous list management and Board decisions.

You have to know when to hold them, know when to fold them.

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Again agree to disagree
Further to my point about trading in players from other clubs
Acres was brought in because we needed wingers
The second half of last year was a true indication we needed more than wingers
Acres is a liability because his decision making and ball use are beyond bad
Yet the club recruited him and. gave up a third round pick
Meanwhile Binns is tearing it up in the twos and clearly should be on that wing to develop him at least for a few games
And he do play at all because he is a second emergency when both reserve and seniors play on the same day
What a joke
Then there is Martin
Plays round one
Doesn’t play any footy
Plays against kids after 3 months off
Has a rest then plays one reserves game then it’s straight into the seniors
Did it work
No
He was subbed off in the second half
All this tells me that internally the club doesn’t think we need to look to the future
We have the future there now
And it’s simply bullshit
Signing Pitto and Young to long term deals on chicken feed tells me the club won’t offload guys like Cripps and McKay

Thanks for taking the time to analyse and rate the list.

I agree with every bit of your post, except I dont believe Kemp is a 3rd tall/intercept mark, and he's a tall HBF. But I especially agree with the Marchbank point you make. I've found it too difficult to think we'd lose him and he hasnt stood up and we've missed out on his god given talents to help us the win the flag.

I also am convinced Cottrell and Boyd are good enough for AFL and both give us speed. Hewett is as important imo as Kennedy. Maybe we cant play both in same team as Cripps.

Still feel we need another ruckman if TDK goes.

It is fixable.
Too many good bits and the kids Austin has selected are the goods.

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If Cerra was in a premiership team he would be the third or fourth mid
He is a very good solid well rounded footballer

Is he as good as Butters,Oliver, Petracca Merrett,Dunkley.,Rozee
No he isn’t

I questioned what the club gave up for him
A first and third rounder was too much imo
He was the fourth or fifth best mid after Bradshaw, Fyfe, Mundy and Serong
He has improved since his Freo time
But if he is our best mid we are in trouble