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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 9:00 pm 
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A rumour/post from Bigfooty:

OG Source: former Carlton player (has played with many/most) of the list. Doesn't strike me as the type to spread or stir bullshit.

Cracks in the list began during or shortly after the bye rounds last year
There are two divisions in the list and those caught on the outside have almost been forced to pick a side or be on the outer with both sides which is often a lot worse.
Feels the club put it down to a long injury list and the related stress and that things would improve after some time off
Relations further broke down over the summer. It started with a bit of a "blame game" over what happened at the end of the season and has deteriorated from there
One side is completely behind Voss and the coaching. Believes instructions and demands are easy to understand and have good relationships with the coaches. A bit of luck with health and self improvement and we were a lock for finals
Other faction think Voss "is full of it" and "cannot coach." "Voss isn't the first coach that they've done this to." He feels this has spiralled out onto not following instruction on the field
Player believes that the best solution is a cleanout of those who have been responsible for "coach killing" in the past
He hopes that they stick with the current coaching staff "and get Vossy some help" as he feels that we genuinely have a staff who have the best interests of the club at heart, above money, and in his experience that's hard to find.
Unrelated but he hopes Adam Cerra will be the next captain of the club as he believes he's a "uniting influence" and has the trust of the coaches without needing to be anyone but himself.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 9:05 pm 
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So who is in the anti Voss camp?
(Besides Dow)


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 9:05 pm 
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robertbb wrote:
A rumour/post from Bigfooty:

OG Source: former Carlton player (has played with many/most) of the list. Doesn't strike me as the type to spread or stir bullshit.

Cracks in the list began during or shortly after the bye rounds last year
There are two divisions in the list and those caught on the outside have almost been forced to pick a side or be on the outer with both sides which is often a lot worse.
Feels the club put it down to a long injury list and the related stress and that things would improve after some time off
Relations further broke down over the summer. It started with a bit of a "blame game" over what happened at the end of the season and has deteriorated from there
One side is completely behind Voss and the coaching. Believes instructions and demands are easy to understand and have good relationships with the coaches. A bit of luck with health and self improvement and we were a lock for finals
Other faction think Voss "is full of it" and "cannot coach." "Voss isn't the first coach that they've done this to." He feels this has spiralled out onto not following instruction on the field
Player believes that the best solution is a cleanout of those who have been responsible for "coach killing" in the past
He hopes that they stick with the current coaching staff "and get Vossy some help" as he feels that we genuinely have a staff who have the best interests of the club at heart, above money, and in his experience that's hard to find.
Unrelated but he hopes Adam Cerra will be the next captain of the club as he believes he's a "uniting influence" and has the trust of the coaches without needing to be anyone but himself.

Thanks for posting this. I read this on BF earlier. I mentioned it on another topic.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 9:38 pm 
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robertbb wrote:
Player believes that the best solution is a cleanout of those who have been responsible for "coach killing" in the past


Hmmmm...but what if we're indebted to the ones who got rid of Teague?! :lol:

It's all bullshit! The I spoke to an ex-player and he said... event miraculously occurs whenever a club is digging a hole for itself.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 9:40 pm 
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So my reading is that is the "anti Voss faction" has largely been around since at least the Teague days, if not earlier.

And the former player must have departed recently if they know Cerra well enough to say that.... Or they simply have a beef with the club.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 9:54 pm 
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robertbb wrote:
A rumour/post from Bigfooty:

OG Source: former Carlton player (has played with many/most) of the list. Doesn't strike me as the type to spread or stir bullshit.

Cracks in the list began during or shortly after the bye rounds last year
There are two divisions in the list and those caught on the outside have almost been forced to pick a side or be on the outer with both sides which is often a lot worse.
Feels the club put it down to a long injury list and the related stress and that things would improve after some time off
Relations further broke down over the summer. It started with a bit of a "blame game" over what happened at the end of the season and has deteriorated from there
One side is completely behind Voss and the coaching. Believes instructions and demands are easy to understand and have good relationships with the coaches. A bit of luck with health and self improvement and we were a lock for finals
Other faction think Voss "is full of it" and "cannot coach." "Voss isn't the first coach that they've done this to." He feels this has spiralled out onto not following instruction on the field
Player believes that the best solution is a cleanout of those who have been responsible for "coach killing" in the past
He hopes that they stick with the current coaching staff "and get Vossy some help" as he feels that we genuinely have a staff who have the best interests of the club at heart, above money, and in his experience that's hard to find.
Unrelated but he hopes Adam Cerra will be the next captain of the club as he believes he's a "uniting influence" and has the trust of the coaches without needing to be anyone but himself.

Let's say this is true.
Easy to fix.
Cut the snake off at the head.
Demote to the 2s and trade at the end of the season.
The rest will fall in line as they are usually just sheep.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 10:02 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
robertbb wrote:
A rumour/post from Bigfooty:

OG Source: former Carlton player (has played with many/most) of the list. Doesn't strike me as the type to spread or stir bullshit.

Cracks in the list began during or shortly after the bye rounds last year
There are two divisions in the list and those caught on the outside have almost been forced to pick a side or be on the outer with both sides which is often a lot worse.
Feels the club put it down to a long injury list and the related stress and that things would improve after some time off
Relations further broke down over the summer. It started with a bit of a "blame game" over what happened at the end of the season and has deteriorated from there
One side is completely behind Voss and the coaching. Believes instructions and demands are easy to understand and have good relationships with the coaches. A bit of luck with health and self improvement and we were a lock for finals
Other faction think Voss "is full of it" and "cannot coach." "Voss isn't the first coach that they've done this to." He feels this has spiralled out onto not following instruction on the field
Player believes that the best solution is a cleanout of those who have been responsible for "coach killing" in the past
He hopes that they stick with the current coaching staff "and get Vossy some help" as he feels that we genuinely have a staff who have the best interests of the club at heart, above money, and in his experience that's hard to find.
Unrelated but he hopes Adam Cerra will be the next captain of the club as he believes he's a "uniting influence" and has the trust of the coaches without needing to be anyone but himself.

Let's say this is true.
Easy to fix.
Cut the snake off at the head.
Demote to the 2s and trade at the end of the season.
The rest will fall in line as they are usually just sheep.



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 10:10 pm 
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kezza wrote:
robertbb wrote:
A rumour/post from Bigfooty:

OG Source: former Carlton player (has played with many/most) of the list. Doesn't strike me as the type to spread or stir bullshit.

Cracks in the list began during or shortly after the bye rounds last year
There are two divisions in the list and those caught on the outside have almost been forced to pick a side or be on the outer with both sides which is often a lot worse.
Feels the club put it down to a long injury list and the related stress and that things would improve after some time off
Relations further broke down over the summer. It started with a bit of a "blame game" over what happened at the end of the season and has deteriorated from there
One side is completely behind Voss and the coaching. Believes instructions and demands are easy to understand and have good relationships with the coaches. A bit of luck with health and self improvement and we were a lock for finals
Other faction think Voss "is full of it" and "cannot coach." "Voss isn't the first coach that they've done this to." He feels this has spiralled out onto not following instruction on the field
Player believes that the best solution is a cleanout of those who have been responsible for "coach killing" in the past
He hopes that they stick with the current coaching staff "and get Vossy some help" as he feels that we genuinely have a staff who have the best interests of the club at heart, above money, and in his experience that's hard to find.
Unrelated but he hopes Adam Cerra will be the next captain of the club as he believes he's a "uniting influence" and has the trust of the coaches without needing to be anyone but himself.

Thanks for posting this. I read this on BF earlier. I mentioned it on another topic.
Another poster suggested up to 15 players may request to be traded.
We could probably all pick 15 players to move on regardless of who's bitch slapping who.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 10:15 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Well Young was very ordinary for a few weeks

And while Weiters wasn't much better my issue is Young seems to get wobbly legs and hands when he has ball in hand and the heat comes


And there my friend is why the dogs let him go for peanuts…. Caveat emptor!


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 10:37 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
robertbb wrote:
Player believes that the best solution is a cleanout of those who have been responsible for "coach killing" in the past


Hmmmm...but what if we're indebted to the ones who got rid of Teague?! :lol:

It's all bullshit! The I spoke to an ex-player and he said... event miraculously occurs whenever a club is digging a hole for itself.
Yes, it is total and utter bullshit.
I suppose if a journalist can go on TV and make shit up, then an anonymous poster on Big Footy has every right to do the same.
There was a rumour flying around on Sunday that there was an emergency meeting with all the heads of football on Sunday morning, and Voss was supposed to have been told minimum 5 from 11 or he is gone. Turns out that was crap Pooper probably used it and embellished it a bit.

When you are not getting results, you open yourself up to this sort of rubbish because everyone is looking for some magical trigger that will turn things around.

I have been saying for a while that we have 6 players who carry the team. You shut them down it's all over. We have too many players who don't step up to fill the void.



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 10:43 pm 
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Well, if Weitering defended Voss to Sayers after the Sydney match I guess we know who’s camp he’s in, and given Young was dropped who dislikes Voss.

Given Voss lacks tactical nous, and the team is divided, what exactly does he do well?


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 10:47 pm 
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Sam Docherty's "ticking time bomb" comment prior to the Melbourne game might have been trying to tell us something. You wonder what the fk is happening there.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 10:48 pm 
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Navy One wrote:
Sam Docherty's "ticking time bomb" comment prior to the Melbourne game might have been trying to tell us something. You wonder what the fk is happening there.


I guess Docherty has seen this all before.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 10:52 pm 
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Navy One wrote:
Sam Docherty's "ticking time bomb" comment prior to the Melbourne game might have been trying to tell us something. You wonder what the fk is happening there.


I wish that faaarking bomb would go off .

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 10:54 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
Navy One wrote:
Sam Docherty's "ticking time bomb" comment prior to the Melbourne game might have been trying to tell us something. You wonder what the fk is happening there.


I wish that faaarking bomb would go off .


Exactly

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Navy One wrote:
Sam Docherty's "ticking time bomb" comment prior to the Melbourne game might have been trying to tell us something. You wonder what the fk is happening there.


Missed it. What did he say?


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 10:55 pm 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
Navy One wrote:
Sam Docherty's "ticking time bomb" comment prior to the Melbourne game might have been trying to tell us something. You wonder what the fk is happening there.


Missed it. What did he say?


https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/afl-r ... cb0efc#top

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 11:20 pm 
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robertbb wrote:
A rumour/post from Bigfooty:

OG Source: former Carlton player (has played with many/most) of the list. Doesn't strike me as the type to spread or stir bullshit.

Cracks in the list began during or shortly after the bye rounds last year
There are two divisions in the list and those caught on the outside have almost been forced to pick a side or be on the outer with both sides which is often a lot worse.
Feels the club put it down to a long injury list and the related stress and that things would improve after some time off
Relations further broke down over the summer. It started with a bit of a "blame game" over what happened at the end of the season and has deteriorated from there
One side is completely behind Voss and the coaching. Believes instructions and demands are easy to understand and have good relationships with the coaches. A bit of luck with health and self improvement and we were a lock for finals
Other faction think Voss "is full of it" and "cannot coach." "Voss isn't the first coach that they've done this to." He feels this has spiralled out onto not following instruction on the field
Player believes that the best solution is a cleanout of those who have been responsible for "coach killing" in the past
He hopes that they stick with the current coaching staff "and get Vossy some help" as he feels that we genuinely have a staff who have the best interests of the club at heart, above money, and in his experience that's hard to find.
Unrelated but he hopes Adam Cerra will be the next captain of the club as he believes he's a "uniting influence" and has the trust of the coaches without needing to be anyone but himself.


Provided the above is true I'd like this to happen......... When these guys play and come to the bench I'd like a phone shoved in their face with Voss at the other end screaming instructions to them. Good way to un-mask/embarrass them.
I suppose this puts me in the Voss camp.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 12:01 am 
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Braithy wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Braithy wrote:
if that's true - i'd actually trade weitering for picks at the end of the year - he'd have fairly high to maybe even enormous value for another team. bring in mckay for less $$ as a like-for-like ... that might help the other mckay to somehow kick straight.

weitering can play, but he doesn't have an edge, can disappear for weeks at a time and seems too nice to be CHB. controversial, i know. but, still...



As a leader he shouldnt be belittling Young, and Weiters jon, and its in his interest is to only help Young get better.
I don't believe the comment. I call bullshit that its an ongoing feud (which its made out to be by posters).
I can believe they had a disagreement about something. If so, that's great.

Other than pointing out, "that was you're man" what don't they see eye to eye with?
Think about it.

They are a tight knit group. Even Dow loves the group.



it's true. go to a game - weiters refuses to acknowledge or even talk to young on the field. it's noticeable

there's some damning vision also doing the rounds - dees kicked a goal bcos LOB didn't track his man all the way back to a ball-up.

after that goal, there's no talk in the huddle. nothing. no one back there is a leader and you can see on film - there's an iciness to young & weiters. More of the guys seem to be getting around young than weiters too, fwiw


is there a link you can post?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 12:06 am 
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99prelim wrote:
DocSherrin III wrote:
This is what a captain is for. Figure it out. Put the gloves on after training if need be.


Our captain is too busy plotting the demise of coach 3 to be worried about uniting the team

And our ex captain is too busy collecting cheap stats from HB (even if his metres gained kicks go straight to the opposition) for his scrap book to even notice that...

Our vice captain is behaving like a pre-pubescent child

Onfield Leadership 010 (bizarro 101)


this is too accurate to be funny

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