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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 3:34 pm 
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Explains why Young was moved to the other end of the ground late against the Dees...

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 4:21 pm 
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Well Young was very ordinary for a few weeks

And while Weiters wasn't much better my issue is Young seems to get wobbly legs and hands when he has ball in hand and the heat comes


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 4:31 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Braithy wrote:
if that's true - i'd actually trade weitering for picks at the end of the year - he'd have fairly high to maybe even enormous value for another team. bring in mckay for less $$ as a like-for-like ... that might help the other mckay to somehow kick straight.

weitering can play, but he doesn't have an edge, can disappear for weeks at a time and seems too nice to be CHB. controversial, i know. but, still...



As a leader he shouldnt be belittling Young, and Weiters jon, and its in his interest is to only help Young get better.
I don't believe the comment. I call bullshit that its an ongoing feud (which its made out to be by posters).
I can believe they had a disagreement about something. If so, that's great.

Other than pointing out, "that was you're man" what don't they see eye to eye with?
Think about it.

They are a tight knit group. Even Dow loves the group.



it's true. go to a game - weiters refuses to acknowledge or even talk to young on the field. it's noticeable

there's some damning vision also doing the rounds - dees kicked a goal bcos LOB didn't track his man all the way back to a ball-up.

after that goal, there's no talk in the huddle. nothing. no one back there is a leader and you can see on film - there's an iciness to young & weiters. More of the guys seem to be getting around young than weiters too, fwiw


Thanks Braithy.
Always liked your posts.
Yeah some, like mine, a tad emotional, but I will look into this.

I've never noticed.
Weiters is the iceman. He's always been a bit aloof.

The LOB thing is separate.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 4:49 pm 
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FWIW, the Carlton News & Leaks twitter account posted this a couple of weeks ago.



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Weitering has been vocal over the last month that our mix of key talls down back is not working, and more importantly not co-operating.
This has lead to a fair bit of experimentation, more recently with Young being dropped, for attitude reasons just as much as for poor form.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:14 pm 
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missnaut wrote:
FWIW, the Carlton News & Leaks twitter account posted this a couple of weeks ago.



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Weitering has been vocal over the last month that our mix of key talls down back is not working, and more importantly not co-operating.
This has lead to a fair bit of experimentation, more recently with Young being dropped, for attitude reasons just as much as for poor form.


If this is true, it's yet another example of SOS' stubborn ness, bringing all those GWS players to Carlton and then Carlton players to St Kilda (starting with Stocker)

Watch us let Dow go and play a solid, reliably role for St Kilda for 5+ years.

I don't think we'll trade Kemp.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:28 pm 
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missnaut wrote:
FWIW, the Carlton News & Leaks twitter account posted this a couple of weeks ago.



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Weitering has been vocal over the last month that our mix of key talls down back is not working, and more importantly not co-operating.
This has lead to a fair bit of experimentation, more recently with Young being dropped, for attitude reasons just as much as for poor form.


OMG

Thanks for sharing missnaut, otherwise i wouldn't be exposed to what is written in an unregulated social media forum.
Its almost like grafiiti. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:30 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Braithy wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Braithy wrote:
if that's true - i'd actually trade weitering for picks at the end of the year - he'd have fairly high to maybe even enormous value for another team. bring in mckay for less $$ as a like-for-like ... that might help the other mckay to somehow kick straight.

weitering can play, but he doesn't have an edge, can disappear for weeks at a time and seems too nice to be CHB. controversial, i know. but, still...



As a leader he shouldnt be belittling Young, and Weiters jon, and its in his interest is to only help Young get better.
I don't believe the comment. I call bullshit that its an ongoing feud (which its made out to be by posters).
I can believe they had a disagreement about something. If so, that's great.

Other than pointing out, "that was you're man" what don't they see eye to eye with?
Think about it.

They are a tight knit group. Even Dow loves the group.



it's true. go to a game - weiters refuses to acknowledge or even talk to young on the field. it's noticeable

there's some damning vision also doing the rounds - dees kicked a goal bcos LOB didn't track his man all the way back to a ball-up.

after that goal, there's no talk in the huddle. nothing. no one back there is a leader and you can see on film - there's an iciness to young & weiters. More of the guys seem to be getting around young than weiters too, fwiw


Thanks Braithy.
Always liked your posts.
Yeah some, like mine, a tad emotional, but I will look into this.

I've never noticed.
Weiters is the iceman. He's always been a bit aloof.

The LOB thing is separate.


Cheers mate, you too.


100% lob was a separate issue ... the vision on film was more indicative of not one "leader" grabbing LOB and letting him know his duties and then the back six as a unit standing there in total silence waiting the ball to go back to the centre. weiters had his back to young the entire time.

then it showed vision of Steve May after we'd kicked a goal and he's barking at players, pointing to parts of the ground and generally doing everything in his power so they don't give up that same goal again.

the juxtaposition of both backlines was night and day. it was a little bit confronting at just how bad we are, tbh


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:32 pm 
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Glad the coaches are in control!!!!!


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:32 pm 
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lol


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 7:20 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Mickstar wrote:

And i would suggest B is dependant on A .


And I would suggest B can be independent of A


If B is dependant on A, then we have a pathetic cohort of players who only put in an effort only when they want to...when the conditions suit them...oh, and if history is anything to go by, they will find the conditions unpleasant at some point down the track and we'll sack another coach

If that's the case, you've found the smoking gun

Send them off to the VFL and tell them that when they come to our famous club, they serve each and every coach TO THE BEST OF THEIR F#$%^ ABILITY

Otherwise they can FRO out the door.

Our great club does not deserve you or your capricious behaviours

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 7:24 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Braithy wrote:
if that's true - i'd actually trade weitering for picks at the end of the year - he'd have fairly high to maybe even enormous value for another team. bring in mckay for less $$ as a like-for-like ... that might help the other mckay to somehow kick straight.

weitering can play, but he doesn't have an edge, can disappear for weeks at a time and seems too nice to be CHB. controversial, i know. but, still...



As a leader he shouldnt be belittling Young, and Weiters jon, and its in his interest is to only help Young get better.
I don't believe the comment. I call bullshit that its an ongoing feud (which its made out to be by posters).
I can believe they had a disagreement about something. If so, that's great.

Other than pointing out, "that was you're man" what don't they see eye to eye with?
Think about it.

They are a tight knit group. Even Dow loves the group.



it's true. go to a game - weiters refuses to acknowledge or even talk to young on the field. it's noticeable

there's some damning vision also doing the rounds - dees kicked a goal bcos LOB didn't track his man all the way back to a ball-up.

after that goal, there's no talk in the huddle. nothing. no one back there is a leader and you can see on film - there's an iciness to young & weiters. More of the guys seem to be getting around young than weiters too, fwiw


Saw exactly the same vision. Quite compelling. Wouldn't low-five and wouldn't look at each other in the face
Seriously Weiters...grow up, be the bigger man and show some leadership...f* sook

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 7:30 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
This is what a captain is for. Figure it out. Put the gloves on after training if need be.


Our captain is too busy plotting the demise of coach 3 to be worried about uniting the team

And our ex captain is too busy collecting cheap stats from HB (even if his metres gained kicks go straight to the opposition) for his scrap book to even notice that...

Our vice captain is behaving like a pre-pubescent child

Onfield Leadership 010 (bizarro 101)

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 7:31 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
OMG

Thanks for sharing missnaut, otherwise i wouldn't be exposed to what is written in an unregulated social media forum.
Its almost like grafiiti. :thumbsup:



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 7:32 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
Do we even know this is true it’s coming from the Pooper Scooper

The man that says Kreuz was absolutely going to Collingwood
I smell BS and obviously classified not going well in the ratings so Pooper Caro (ie Cripps didn’t stay with the team)and no brains Cornes are trying to outdo each other with Carlton stories
Like Cripps didn’t stay with the team I call BS Pooper


The only thing is that McClure is a very ardent Carlton supporter so delivering that news wouldn't be that easy.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 7:33 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
DocSherrin III wrote:
This is what a captain is for. Figure it out. Put the gloves on after training if need be.


Our captain is too busy plotting the demise of coach 3 to be worried about uniting the team

And our ex captain is too busy collecting cheap stats from HB (even if his metres gained kicks go straight to the opposition) for his scrap book to even notice that...

Our vice captain is behaving like a pre-pubescent child

Onfield Leadership 010 (bizarro 101)


So we have alot to look forward to for the rest of the season...lol.

Very Carlton. Just as we looked like taking big steps this year we implode internally completely.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 7:49 pm 
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Yes but wasn’t he on the same show putting some silly trade proposal for Dustin Martin that didn’t make sense -Pooper is big into hyperbole
Last night couldn’t tell the difference between him and Hutchy who is absolutely a used car salesman


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 7:58 pm 
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Good to hear about Young/Weitering. I'd be pissed off if our defenders were patting each other on the back and singing Kumbuya.
If Young cant take a bit of criticism for not doing his job, he wouldn't last 10 minutes as Steven May's sidekick.
Our tall backs have been poor. They refuse to play tight on leading forwards and expect wingers and high H/F's to push back and do their jobs for them.
Look at Charlie and Harry lead and see the opposition defenders in their back pockets. Then look at our tall defenders on a lead. They prefer to drop back and fill space. Weak as piss.

It's time for Voss to cast them loose and see if they can defend one on one. If they can't, piss them off at seasons end. It's not Under 10's.
If they cant take honest feedback, they're in the wrong game.

It's disappointing all the media looking for chinks in the armour and structural deficiencies. Our problem is game pace. Move the ball quicker and our forwards wont be outnumbered. We have too many players trying to dictate ball movement. Doc, Weiters, Newman, Acres etc etc. They want to craft a forward entry instead of focussing on putting pace on the ball. They'll move the ball sideways 3 times and then we eventually go long to a contest anyway. The only difference is we've allowed the opposition to push numbers back in the interim.
It's time for the coaches to coach. Forget about letting the leaders dictate ball movement. There's too many egos and personalities at play. I go to the games and watch Docherty call for the ball to go backwards when there are clear forward options. WTF is that?
issue instructions. Move the ball quickly or @#$%&! off. Give it off to the running player or get dragged. If players work hard to create an option and get continually ignored, they'll stop running. There's nothing more certain.
The coaches know the game style they want. It's the on field senior players who are stifling it. Too many agendas and too much responsibility given to players who are abusing the privilege.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 8:01 pm 
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...McClure insisted Martin could leave the Tigers and go to the Suns on significantly less money.

“Hutchy, you’re deal-maker and a modern thinker in this sense. His deal can be scrunched up like a piece of paper and thrown in the bin,” he said.

“Gold Coast Suns give him say three years at $500,000, just over the average salary. That gives his $1.5 million.”

Sam McClure thinks the Tigers should trade Dusty. Photo: Ch 9.
Sam McClure thinks the Tigers should trade Dusty. Photo: Ch 9.
Source: Channel 9 :lol: Caro didn't get so lucky from Channel 9

But Hutchison disagreed, firing back: “He’s going to play two more years and earn the same money? What commercial world are you living in? Are you fair dinkum?”

McClure: “Three years at 500 grand?”

Hutchison: “Versus $1.4 million? Give me a spell. That’s the dumbest argument I’ve ever heard.”

McClure: “Are you going to let me finish my sentence before you continue?”

Hutchison: “I don’t think it’s worth doing.”

Boom, mic drop. Hutchy 1, McClure 0.


https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/are-you-fair-dinkum-hosts-at-war-as-14m-dusty-trade-idea-dumbest-argument-ever-heard/news-story/8d150c8402f70588b84a179c644e195d

Sammy Sammy Sammy.

Sells out his own team for fame and clicks.
Then his own team at 9 stick the knives in and tells him he's a clown.

Is there any credibility left in Sam?

He's better off regretting his back dooring of his childhood team, Carlton, and come back to the fold and accept the fact there's nothing more empowering than sticking with your Blue Brethren than selling out to Croc fkn media & co. Serves yourself right trying to point another bone at us. One is enough.

Maybe Sammy has taken the curse off us now :gift: :smoking:

Sam has Sinned

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 8:03 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Good to hear about Young/Weitering. I'd be pissed off if our defenders were patting each other on the back and singing Kumbuya.
If Young cant take a bit of criticism for not doing his job, he wouldn't last 10 minutes as Steven May's sidekick.
Our tall backs have been poor. They refuse to play tight on leading forwards and expect wingers and high H/F's to push back and do their jobs for them.
Look at Charlie and Harry lead and see the opposition defenders in their back pockets. Then look at our tall defenders on a lead. They prefer to drop back and fill space. Weak as piss.

It's time for Voss to cast them loose and see if they can defend one on one. If they can't, piss them off at seasons end. It's not Under 10's.
If they cant take honest feedback, they're in the wrong game.

It's disappointing all the media looking for chinks in the armour and structural deficiencies. Our problem is game pace. Move the ball quicker and our forwards wont be outnumbered. We have too many players trying to dictate ball movement. Doc, Weiters, Newman, Acres etc etc. They want to craft a forward entry instead of focussing on putting pace on the ball. They'll move the ball sideways 3 times and then we eventually go long to a contest anyway. The only difference is we've allowed the opposition to push numbers back in the interim.
It's time for the coaches to coach. Forget about letting the leaders dictate ball movement. There's too many egos and personalities at play. I go to the games and watch Docherty call for the ball to go backwards when there are clear forward options. WTF is that?
issue instructions. Move the ball quickly or @#$%&! off. Give it off to the running player or get dragged. If players work hard to create an option and get continually ignored, they'll stop running. There's nothing more certain.
The coaches know the game style they want. It's the on field senior players who are stifling it. Too many agendas and too much responsibility given to players who are abusing the privilege.


Correct...the gameplan/Voss can't coach narrative is a simplistic distractor
Do as your coaches ask
Do it to the best of your ability
We ask nothing more
And if you don't like it, ring your manager to start shopping you around, whether you're a rooke or the captain. You don't deserve us

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 8:09 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Good to hear about Young/Weitering. I'd be pissed off if our defenders were patting each other on the back and singing Kumbuya.
If Young cant take a bit of criticism for not doing his job, he wouldn't last 10 minutes as Steven May's sidekick.
Our tall backs have been poor. They refuse to play tight on leading forwards and expect wingers and high H/F's to push back and do their jobs for them.
Look at Charlie and Harry lead and see the opposition defenders in their back pockets. Then look at our tall defenders on a lead. They prefer to drop back and fill space. Weak as piss.

It's time for Voss to cast them loose and see if they can defend one on one. If they can't, piss them off at seasons end. It's not Under 10's.
If they cant take honest feedback, they're in the wrong game.

It's disappointing all the media looking for chinks in the armour and structural deficiencies. Our problem is game pace. Move the ball quicker and our forwards wont be outnumbered. We have too many players trying to dictate ball movement. Doc, Weiters, Newman, Acres etc etc. They want to craft a forward entry instead of focussing on putting pace on the ball. They'll move the ball sideways 3 times and then we eventually go long to a contest anyway. The only difference is we've allowed the opposition to push numbers back in the interim.
It's time for the coaches to coach. Forget about letting the leaders dictate ball movement. There's too many egos and personalities at play. I go to the games and watch Docherty call for the ball to go backwards when there are clear forward options. WTF is that?
issue instructions. Move the ball quickly or @#$%&! off. Give it off to the running player or get dragged. If players work hard to create an option and get continually ignored, they'll stop running. There's nothing more certain.
The coaches know the game style they want. It's the on field senior players who are stifling it. Too many agendas and too much responsibility given to players who are abusing the privilege.


Fkn hell. Tell us what you really think BV.
Great stuff :thumbsup:

Pace is a way of thinking.

Weitering Docherty Acres...got me thinking.

What happens if you drop 2 of them, or change their roles?

Pace from the back half...Saad and williams...no Williams around
Boyd Cincotta Cottrel have pace.

I keep hearing Doc' s a steadying influence in the backline.

Kemp likes to run too.

Talk about ability to run, Hollands. Binns. Walsh. Cerra. Martin. Honey. We have a few and a few of them waiting to find their wings.

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