This. Doesn't matter how you cook your sausages they are still (very ordinary) sausages.

Rebuild started in 2015. Its now 2023. What have we got to show for it?

Stocker Round 1 pick for a Back Pocket.

Setterfield round 1 pick for a hot n cold 3rd string medfielder

We got rid of them for a reason.

Dow round 1 pick for a butcher

JSOS was a Father Son. SOS didnt pick him

TDK He's not a good mark, not a good kick, hasn't made it, may improve, and I don't think he will be a star. He's tall. I know Kane Cornes rates him.

You're happy with SOS selections. That's OK. I'm not at present. Happy as a funeral.

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I agree so many smothers of our kicks and handballs! Fair chance it comes down to we don’t train with enough defensive intensity….

Your assessment is interesting and undeniable incorrect.
Have you even watched these guys play for the other teams. Blind Freddy can see they can play and that we have NFI. Maybe switch on watch the 2nd half of the Hawthorn V StKilda game. Might help.

Actually I forgot, you’re happy with our top 10 Saad trade. I’ll let it be.

Looks to me more a cultural/development issue. Players that leave us seem to improve almost immediately

How many of our players have improved this year?

sos f...k.. our club have said this many times all those poor selections has set us backwards ,our overrated list is not good enough simple and we need to trade /recruit well hopefully Austin can nail some players .
I knew we are stuffed 1 during practice games i saw nothing different from 22 season 2 against Roos when they kicked last 4 straight goals

Maybe this will help with our feeling of perennial disappointment:

https://www.wikihow.com/Cope-when-Your- ... Team-Loses

Quote: "Call your friends who are also fans to let off steam and cope with the disappointment of a losing team. Consider joining a fan club or online forums to talk more about your disappointment and even brainstorm ways to fix what went wrong. If you are going to suffer, it’s better to do so with other fans."
Go Blues!
I wish it was only a game

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Pros:

Were the better team for 3 1/2 quarters. But you can't win, if you can't kick more than 6 or 7 goals.
Weiters, Walsh, McGovern.
Charlie was fantastic in the air, but his kicking was rubbish.
Liked the game of Boyd and Cottrell. They're the future.
Got a bit more rebound from Saad.
Motlop was in the play a lot. But he gets tackled a lot. It's a problem that 2 of our 3 small forwards aren't quick.

Cons:

General lack of confidence.
Terrible set shot finishing again.
Hammered at centre bounces again. It's become a real problem this year.
Unwillingness of our forwards to contest in the last quarter when out of position.
Injuries and bad bounces.
I thought Harry might have turned the corner last week. But his goalkicking was back to its horrible worst. By the end of the game, it looked like he didn't want to get it anymore.
Why do we keep playing Kennedy at half back?
Durdin and Owies.
Stack of others who under contributed. Like Kemp, TDK, Hewett (before his injury), Hollands, Kennedy, etc.

I didn’t see the match, but going by the comments it looks like the forward entries is the key problem.

Maybe instead of the bombing long option.. which is being swallowed up by defenders… they need to get 15 m marks to forwards leading 45 m out.
Both Curnow and McKay are good at that range.
Is OBrien good for these small kicks to leading forwards?

To get over the depression there is a way out!
Support Carlton in the VFL.
They have a good chance of playing finals. (Top 10 in the VFL)
The last finals match I went to was way back in 2013..,
A long time ago.

I don’t even watch other AFL teams anymore.
Last non-Carlton match I partly watched was Bulldogs vs Port rd5.
Just going to watch the VFL from now on. Not any AFL.

Look I'm upset with the loss. I wasn't last night, because I had good company and plenty to drink, but I am appalled today. Everyone is.

Your attack on the poster isn't making me feel better. No need to be a smartarse surrey.
Capiche

Sorry, I dont get the Saad slur. But FFS keep it civil.

You have missed my point about first rounders.

Clarkson built his Hawks dynasty with kids who had great skills.

Now remember, I'm not writing about you, or calling you a dill. I'm making a point about our playing group and the bloke who put it together. I'm not the first. I responded. You missed the point. You dont like it? Leave it at that. Simple.

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I think there is something amiss at Carlton. But these blokes haven't improved. They are the same good players. Setters probably getting more time, and Stocker did something about his attitude towards fitness.

I thought Setterfield and Stocker were good players. I expected more from them being first rounders. They didnt look like first rounders when at carlton, and I still think they are good players and still dont look like first rounders and imo not much better players now than when at Carlton TBH. Lets not all of the sudden call a Back Pocket player a star till he is. Neither are stars. They are solid citizens.

Why we've ended up with umteen inside mids all picked by SOS? Coz he didnt have faith in his judgement the first, second, third.....time?

Something not right with his philosophy and SPS isn't a star. He was pick 6. LOB isnt a star he's pick 10......its been discussed adnauseum.

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I have said previously but those early draft pick midfield misses from SOS was our biggest downfall in terms of a rebuild that gets us into contention.

We implemented a scorched earth policy with our gutting of the list and was heavily reliant on nailing those picks in the draft

Add poor player development and I think we are currently in no man's land

Charlie’s mark on his back and then having a laugh when he got up to kick it and then spraying the kick is Carlton thru and thru. Play and think they are millionaires but are really paupers.

Balanced and thoughtful.

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I agree with this.
If the players executed properly last night we would have won comfortably.

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We weren't far from clicking in the first half. But now the prospect of finals is fading fast I'm in favour of some creative adjustments, such as Keogh suggests.

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Yep no need to turn on each other we are all hurting.
Personally i think it's a combination of issues.
The players and pick that we have targeted have been very average but afterwards our development of these players as a whole has been well mismanaged along with years of confusing gameplans, structures and selections.
How many times have we been perplexed by these decisions.
We won't get anywhere until we get a focused and tough coach like a Ferguson, Belichick or something of that ilk.
Just my 2 cents

Take out the West Coast game and our percentage is 83.47.

We officially suck.

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When you invite a Carlton forward over for dinner.....lol.

The Dogs game I think it was, he gifted them the first goal of the game with a turnover, continuing on from the previous week, and that was the only moment in my long years of attending Carlton games that I considered leaving after a few minutes of play. I stayed until the bitter end but it didn't get much better. That moment epitomised for me the inability of some of our supposedly better players to learn anything of their foibles or work on them. Acres has been a particularly huge disappointment for me. He starred against West Coast but really...who hasn't lately?

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