Same.

Summed it up perfectly.

100%

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#DonTheStash

The root of this evil has been the recruiting. Stephen Silvagni should never have been given the job. He had no runs on the board at GWS.

6 years into our rebuild we acquired meat and potatoes players in Cerra and Hewett. We had to do this because of so many flunks with his previous midfield selections. 6 years into a rebuild we should be acquiring flankers and pockets.

On top of this the ridiculous contracts (both length and $) has choked our salary cap. Rose acquisitions smacked of desperation.

The arrogance of Voss is another problem. A Brisbane supporting friend said to me last night that he has no Plan B because he thinks his Plan A is perfect.

He is better off trying something different that might not work than keep on doing the same thing and praying things go right.

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"can't kick ... don't pick"

I'm so numb this morning that I can't tell whether reading the comments on TC makes me feel better or worse.

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Our tradition demands success!

No problem with the sentiment but I can’t give him more than a 95%.

Needs to work on the difference between “worse” and “worst”.

We’re definitely the “worst”.

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

I’m not sure if it’s game plan or our players are not the smartest.

We sold the farm to get players before we improved from the draft. Its back fired. Ie Martin Williams gov Saad acres didn’t come for the love of jumper they came for the Payrise.
Is acres that much better than O’Brien ?
Would Dow really look out of place in this midfield? one thing he does do that current mids don’t is he actually clears the ball out of the congestion to outside players. something we seem to do really poorly we handball to a player in trouble.
Why did pitto push forward not back without young in the team.( he spent 44% of his game in offensive half) when we have TDK and Harry in F50
Why do all our player leave the ground in a marking contest.

Teams are letting us get first hands in the Center clearance and tackling us.
You can see them pausing if they don’t win it out right themselves.

Personally To hear Voss saying he loved aspects of our game last night is the last nail for me!
Doubt he will make it past bombers game.

The numbness; the numbness...

This one feels so numbing because we should have been 4 goals up at quarter time and more at the half.
That would have given us confidence.
We were so close to clicking in that first half but a small or big mistake in every passage of play cost us.

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Teams do not give Cripps any space
If Cripps doesn’t have possession it’s off to the races

He needs a change of scenery
Our best player is wasted up forward
Swap their roles
Saad is tagged every week
So give him a different role
Play him
As a mid or wing
Last night Papley played as a mid
Other teams mix it up
We don’t
Play Kennedy up forward
I would like to see DeKoning down back
Bring Dow in to play mid on the basis he simply deserves it
Play Binns instead of Acres
I would like to see Owies in the middle and Durdin

The worry with Voss is he is obviously stubborn
Like Teague

Yep it’s clear Voss is stubborn and that was my concern. If someone is stubborn no amount of training and anything can change you. You may change when you dont have any pressure on you, but being the top dog is a different beast.

Im not completely blaming Voss here, but the players clearly have no direction and are not happy. Who’s responsibility is this - its the coaching group.

Im afraid that we will be stubborn and stick with this coaching group now as we publicly said we would and dont want to be seen as a poison chalice for coaches anymore.

Agree 100% Keogh with (a) your onfield ideas and (b) with Voss' irrational pig-headedness

As a result, players have stopped playing for him. Their heads are elsewhere. Forget about skill execution or missed shots or bombing it long or not running or not switching or blah blah blah

They are getting themselves ready for another coaching crisis at the club

And our captain is LEADING the charge...send him home to WA...not a leader's bootlace

And we need leadership more than we need his skillset...which is almost non existent at the moment

PS. Question...does anyone think Cripps offers to sacrifice his game by playing deep fwd for a while just to change things up? I always see him at stoppages...meanwhile kennedy is playing the role of Geoff SOuthby.

I don't know the answer, but I reckon he doesn't

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HIT.NAIL.ON.HEAD

Are Coll players HAPPY because they have direction and so winning is the outcome? OR Do Coll players have direction and are winning, so HAPPINESS is the outcome?

Obviously both answers are correct in their own way

We have no direction and we're losing (primarily as a result of no direction-I do not buy the list or failed rebuild narrative)

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

The players have seen off countless coaches (assistants included). Our problem isnt the coaches it is the list managers. We don't have enough talent spread across the team.
Even our good players lack the ability to be super fit, elite runners, skilled in kicking, skilled in decision making, follow a plan, gain confidence, stay confident and have the want to win.
We bring in the wrong players.

The coaches do get caught up coaching around these deficiencies in the list. Playing the hand they are dealt. But I wouldn't be changing coaches without doing a massive list redesign.

Our biggest midfield issue is not Cripps. Sending him forward as suggested won’t achieve anything. We need to play his strengths. That is, as the distributor.

The midfields issue are due to a lack of balance and depth. Hewitt and Kennedy are the problems. Bit part players being asked to play more prominent roles. Although the use of Kennedy has been bizarre at times.

Missing two quality inside/outside players with good kicking skills and speed. Players like Crisp and De goening from Collingwood. A midfield with Cripps, Walsh and Cerra is a good start but not enough.

The pain I feel now is the pain I inflicted on myriad other AFL supporters from 1968 to 1999.

Karma is a bitch and I’ve been its bitch for 21 years.

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Winston Churchill

I can't recall ever seeing commentators who were trying not to laugh at how pathetic a football team is

Dow and Fisher need to play midfield next week to give us some spark in there . A bit if run and dash

Binns ditto

I suspect Voss will be stupid and stubborn though

Docherty

Round 1: 0 centre bounce attendances (CBA), 0 centre bounce clearances (CC)
Round 2: 2CBA, 0CC
Round 3: 5CBA, 0CC
Round 4: 9CBA, 0CC
Round 7: 10CBA, 0CC
Round 8: 7CBA, 0CC
Round 9: 6CBA, 0CC
Round 10: 8CBA, 1CC
Round 11: 6CBA, 0CC

One centre clearance for the whole season.

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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

This club...or should I even use that word?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Agree with this.
There has to be a few forced changes with injuries and possible suspension anyway.
Give Dow a go for goodness sake, give him a 4-5 week block of games and if he doesn't show anything then at least we know.