No small caveat at the end there.

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Lachie Ash is the one I want. Out of contract at seasons' end. Former Shepparton lad. Can play midfield. Stuck in the Saad role at GWS.

Comment was more around one salary leaving the books in exchange for the other, Psych.

Combination of assumptions - 1) that getting pushed down the pecking order might see them want to explore opportunities elsewhere and 2) list managers deciding we've now got sufficient depth in that position and shopping them around.

You've always got that perspective of a list manager Galty. You have to be in the Trading game or no footy Trading Game. Couldn't be carpets, like your brother.

I like your perspective. Keeps me thinking glass half full, and I thank you for it.

The list wheel keeps turning even when the boys are playing.

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Stuck?
He can play that role well.
How easy would it be to ... entice?

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The problem we have is the lack of players not in our best 22 that sos drafted not to mention the waste of draft picks he gave up to get some duds in like the 2 first rounders for gov
Till we draft some highly skilled and fast players in we are going nowhere

2 x 2nd rounders traded for a first rounder to Swans then traded that 1st rounder to Crows for Gov

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Trade Cripps & Fisher to WCE for pick 1

Shit even throw in McGovern

Haha. We’d still get laughed at.

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Stop spoiling a good rant with facts, bondi

It’s recruitment not the coach
I don’t know how many times I have said it on this website but if this weekend isn’t proof enough I can’t help ya
Martin too sore to play magoos
Mc Govern total pea heart
Williams yes injured bit like Mc Govern and Martin not fit enough
Hewett one dimensional average kick
Saad been saying it for years but a one trick pony
This year proves that
Pittonet b grade at best
Young too soft horrendous kick
Newman at least he cares but b grade
Cerra good mid but not the great kick not quick
Not worth a first and third rounder. At least he cares
Acres nothing more said
Don’t forget Setters
Plowman

That’s a dozen players some who are on big coin over long term contracts some who we gave picks forwho have been brought in from other clubs to fix up those small issues of inadequacies that we have.

Only a pass mark for some. Some have been so bad
No need to go over all the misses we have had at the draft or the absolute spuds SOS recruited that could have been spent on getting some mature aged talent and late bloomers from SANFL WAFL

no diamonds in the rough
Just a potato field

And what he hear from the club when there is a crisis is a vomit of political correct shit whether it’s from Lloyd Voss or Cripps
After nearly a quarter of a century of this abyss surely it’s time for the club to finally put their hand up and say to us supporters that we have [REDACTED] up
Get rid of blokes like Mc Govern
Play Cowan Binns
Start the rebuilding process now
Instead of making Voss another scapegoat in 25 years of poor list management.

Certainly some issues with the list
We all know the big name recruits McGovern, Williams, Marchbank and Martin has been a massive massive fail.
I think McGovern's days are numbered. His decision to not put the body on the line was embarrassing and he ended up the worst player statistically . He was pushed forward and did nothing.
And Young is a frustration. He is very good in the air but when he has the ball in hand under pressure he fires off panicky fast inaccurate handballs.
I'd get Ben McKay to partner with Weitering.

I'd actually keep TDK if we can. Yesterday showed SOS in the ruck is a disaster. Game was over after he went into the ruck. We have to play 2 rucks. TDK is still young by ruck years.

I really think the tall defenders is a big worry that needs to be sorted out. Can't have players in that part of the ground who lack hardness.

We need to be realistic we can't overhaul the list and I'd argue the list is mainly fine the issue is poor game plan leads ro confusion which has leads to poor performances.

We also need a quality mid size HFF and another running midfielder. Blows my mind Dow doesn't get a game. I am not saying he's guaranteed to thrive but we've lost 5 from 6 and need a bit of burst speed in the midfield so I think he deserves another chance. The mix in there has been off all year. Voss keeps changing his mind on Kennedy and Hewett and even where to play Walsh.

We will probably end up with a decent first pick this year. Take the best midfielder.

Then we need to figure out how to trafe for a good HFF . Maybe FA. Get Gresham if we can. He is a good player albeit not a superstar. But he's good enough. Trade our second rounder.

Just on your last sentence Paddy, don't think we have a 2nd rounder this year?
Did the pick swap with the filth to get Lachie Cowan.

Who are our pricks?

Who are the blokes that will come at the opposition physically?

Who is our Maynard? De Goey? We haven't got anyone...

Need some pricks. No more lovely boys you can take home to mum.

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Same as last year.
1 Quick inside mids with foot skills (2 would be better)
1 Ruck
1 Medium/small forward with x factor.
Move on the annually injured folk.

It's fair to say after 9 rounds our wings are of no upgrade on last year thus far and we wasted our opportunity at the draft/trade table to address the real areas that needed addressing.

Right well we are [REDACTED] then

I think a new ruck is just a nice to have, the priorities are the other two you mention. If we just get those two it will be a huge win.

I think we need a back up ruck but I agree the other two are higher priorities.

Get Ben McKay to be the gorilla.
Get rid of McGovern and Young.
Weitering to be the intercept defender.

Get Gresham.

Both are FAs I believe.
Get Ben via FA and then trade for Gresham.
Trade someone out to get Gresham.
There should be no shortage of under performing decent players at Carlton.
Or trade several players for picks (Jack, Mitch, Young, Dow, LOB).
Find a way Curly.

Use Pick 5 on the best available Mid who isn't slow.
(see what I did there?)

Why would we actively want to trade for a player we can get for free?