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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2023 3:52 pm 
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Traveller86 wrote:
16 and rain forecast for Sunday, gonna be an ugly slog.


Nah. Doesn't happen these days. The MCG will still be a great surface


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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2023 3:55 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Our forward attack is too predictable with 59..4% going to Charlie or Harry, we need more targets like JSOS and McGovern up there to make us more dangerous like Brisbane. Our duo is ranked no. 1 ahead of West Coast and North.

So I think our best line up this weekend against a team that runs and is damaging looks like this.

B: Kemp Young Newman
HB: Docherty Weitering Saad

Foll: Pittonet Kennedy Cerra
C: Acres Cripps Cottrell

HF: Martin Charlie JSOS
F: Owies McKay McGovern

Int: Cincotta Hewett Durdin Walsh
Sub: LOB



I have said our biggest issue is getting it inside 50 quickly and to the advantage of our players. In the second half on the weekend we opened up the forward line and got it in quickly to the best option. The small forwards then got involved. Intersting that Charlie was involved in three goals in the 3rd quarter outside 50

I agree about McGovern forward. Allows Charlie to push up and is another genuine marking option. Martin then becomes another option.

Our ball use and speed is improving we just need to convert better. I have said it before but McKay should be second ruck like Daniher. Allows more involvement and will help with confidence.

We then have a mix inside 50 of Charlie McKay McGovern Martin Owies Motlop & Durdin. That is a great mix if we use them properly. We can also push Cripps/Kenedy forward at times

I also wouldn't bring in Kemp. I rate him but the Collingwood forward line is smaller and mobile. Boyd in with Docherty Saad Newman Cincotta is our best match up


I agree

The Pies forwards arent tall.
Ive been thinking about Jack on Mihocek or Johnson, for the whole game.
Gov forward.

I think that mix looks better with the additional marking power provided by Gov and Martin.

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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2023 3:58 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Our forward attack is too predictable with 59..4% going to Charlie or Harry, we need more targets like JSOS and McGovern up there to make us more dangerous like Brisbane. Our duo is ranked no. 1 ahead of West Coast and North.

So I think our best line up this weekend against a team that runs and is damaging looks like this.

B: Kemp Young Newman
HB: Docherty Weitering Saad

Foll: Pittonet Kennedy Cerra
C: Acres Cripps Cottrell

HF: Martin Charlie JSOS
F: Owies McKay McGovern

Int: Cincotta Hewett Durdin Walsh
Sub: LOB



I have said our biggest issue is getting it inside 50 quickly and to the advantage of our players. In the second half on the weekend we opened up the forward line and got it in quickly to the best option. The small forwards then got involved. Intersting that Charlie was involved in three goals in the 3rd quarter outside 50

I agree about McGovern forward. Allows Charlie to push up and is another genuine marking option. Martin then becomes another option.

Our ball use and speed is improving we just need to convert better. I have said it before but McKay should be second ruck like Daniher. Allows more involvement and will help with confidence.

We then have a mix inside 50 of Charlie McKay McGovern Martin Owies Motlop & Durdin. That is a great mix if we use them properly. We can also push Cripps/Kenedy forward at times

I also wouldn't bring in Kemp. I rate him but the Collingwood forward line is smaller and mobile. Boyd in with Docherty Saad Newman Cincotta is our best match up


I agree

The Pies forwards arent tall.
Ive been thinking about Jack on Mihocek or Johnson, for the whole game.
Gov forward.

I think that mix looks better with the additional marking power provided by Gov and Martin.

Fair call on Kemp.
Boyd or Cowan then if they are smaller?
Not sure how either are travelling in the 2s.
We need Jack up forward also so we have 4 talls, weather depending of course.
If it's wet then............


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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2023 4:00 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Our forward attack is too predictable with 59..4% going to Charlie or Harry, we need more targets like JSOS and McGovern up there to make us more dangerous like Brisbane. Our duo is ranked no. 1 ahead of West Coast and North.

So I think our best line up this weekend against a team that runs and is damaging looks like this.

B: Kemp Young Newman
HB: Docherty Weitering Saad

Foll: Pittonet Kennedy Cerra
C: Acres Cripps Cottrell

HF: Martin Charlie JSOS
F: Owies McKay McGovern

Int: Cincotta Hewett Durdin Walsh
Sub: LOB



I have said our biggest issue is getting it inside 50 quickly and to the advantage of our players. In the second half on the weekend we opened up the forward line and got it in quickly to the best option. The small forwards then got involved. Intersting that Charlie was involved in three goals in the 3rd quarter outside 50

I agree about McGovern forward. Allows Charlie to push up and is another genuine marking option. Martin then becomes another option.

Our ball use and speed is improving we just need to convert better. I have said it before but McKay should be second ruck like Daniher. Allows more involvement and will help with confidence.

We then have a mix inside 50 of Charlie McKay McGovern Martin Owies Motlop & Durdin. That is a great mix if we use them properly. We can also push Cripps/Kenedy forward at times

I also wouldn't bring in Kemp. I rate him but the Collingwood forward line is smaller and mobile. Boyd in with Docherty Saad Newman Cincotta is our best match up


I agree

The Pies forwards arent tall.
Ive been thinking about Jack on Mihocek or Johnson, for the whole game.
Gov forward.

I think that mix looks better with the additional marking power provided by Gov and Martin.

Fair call on Kemp.
Boyd or Cowan then if they are smaller?
Not sure how either are travelling in the 2s.


Boyd's ready and he is one of our better kicks. Needs to come in


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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2023 4:01 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Our forward attack is too predictable with 59..4% going to Charlie or Harry, we need more targets like JSOS and McGovern up there to make us more dangerous like Brisbane. Our duo is ranked no. 1 ahead of West Coast and North.

So I think our best line up this weekend against a team that runs and is damaging looks like this.

B: Kemp Young Newman
HB: Docherty Weitering Saad

Foll: Pittonet Kennedy Cerra
C: Acres Cripps Cottrell

HF: Martin Charlie JSOS
F: Owies McKay McGovern

Int: Cincotta Hewett Durdin Walsh
Sub: LOB



I have said our biggest issue is getting it inside 50 quickly and to the advantage of our players. In the second half on the weekend we opened up the forward line and got it in quickly to the best option. The small forwards then got involved. Intersting that Charlie was involved in three goals in the 3rd quarter outside 50

I agree about McGovern forward. Allows Charlie to push up and is another genuine marking option. Martin then becomes another option.

Our ball use and speed is improving we just need to convert better. I have said it before but McKay should be second ruck like Daniher. Allows more involvement and will help with confidence.

We then have a mix inside 50 of Charlie McKay McGovern Martin Owies Motlop & Durdin. That is a great mix if we use them properly. We can also push Cripps/Kenedy forward at times

I also wouldn't bring in Kemp. I rate him but the Collingwood forward line is smaller and mobile. Boyd in with Docherty Saad Newman Cincotta is our best match up


I agree

The Pies forwards arent tall.
Ive been thinking about Jack on Mihocek or Johnson, for the whole game.
Gov forward.

I think that mix looks better with the additional marking power provided by Gov and Martin.


I'd be very happy to push Jack into defence and on Mihocek. Allows Weitering to play loose intercept role which he would be great at

Maybe:

B: Boyd Young Weitering
HB: Docherty Silvagni Saad
C: Acres Cripps Cottrell
HF: Martin Charlie Walsh
F: McGovern McKay Owies
Foll: Pittonet Kennedy Cerra
Int: Hewett Newman Hollands Motlop (Durdin)

Something great about seeing the name Silvagni in defence


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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2023 4:02 pm 
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If he can kick give the kid a gig........lord know's we need them......all of them, especially the ones that can hit targets further than 15m.
I'd like to keep 4 talls upfront.
Jack stays up there to help deliver to forwards in the F50 and rotate that role with McLovin, Charlie and McKay.


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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2023 4:27 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Is the media correct today stating Cripps only won one centre clearance?

One more than Doc.

Would be interesting to find the stat of how many centre Bounces (CB's) the Carlton mids had.
This site is handy for centre bounce attendances, though doesn't offer the stat for actual clearances won.
https://dfsaustralia.com/afl-cbas/?team=CAR&season=2023


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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2023 4:47 pm 
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Traveller86 wrote:
16 and rain forecast for Sunday, gonna be an ugly slog.

It will cold, wet and ugly ........just like Brendon Bolton's last game as coach :banghead:

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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2023 6:08 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
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Cottrell isn’t a wingman. Walsh should be midfield.


Walsh is midfielder. We play a an extra mid pushing up from HF


Walsh isn’t a midfielder playing off half forward. He is or should be a midfielder playing in the centre circle. I guess Cerra or Kennedy are midfielders playing off half back as well?
This type of thinking is why we are up the creek without a paddle.............


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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2023 7:24 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
IMO:
Cottrell isn’t a wingman. Walsh should be midfield.


Walsh is midfielder. We play a an extra mid pushing up from HF


Walsh isn’t a midfielder playing off half forward. He is or should be a midfielder playing in the centre circle. I guess Cerra or Kennedy are midfielders playing off half back as well?
This type of thinking is why we are up the creek without a paddle.............


Go watch us play. Walsh and other mids start at HF then push up to be an extra mid. That's how we play and have all year. Pies play a similar set up as do Geelong

"I guess Cerra or Kennedy are midfielders playing off half back as well?" This is a stupdi comment. One move doesn't suggest another.


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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2023 7:35 pm 
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They bring extras to the contest area, create good pressure and knowing most players handball sideways.. still into pressure... (a bit Tigers from 2017)...

FFS next line of forward player needs to come behind (our attacking) side for the handball over the top/small kick through or over/ tap or slap forward.....catch them out as they thrust forward...
Lets see

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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2023 8:06 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
IMO:
Cottrell isn’t a wingman. Walsh should be midfield.


Walsh is midfielder. We play a an extra mid pushing up from HF


Walsh isn’t a midfielder playing off half forward. He is or should be a midfielder playing in the centre circle. I guess Cerra or Kennedy are midfielders playing off half back as well?
This type of thinking is why we are up the creek without a paddle.............


Go watch us play. Walsh and other mids start at HF then push up to be an extra mid. That's how we play and have all year. Pies play a similar set up as do Geelong

"I guess Cerra or Kennedy are midfielders playing off half back as well?" This is a stupdi comment. One move doesn't suggest another.


You don't think I know they push as extra mids? The point is, he is not there at the centre bounces when it counts.
Also, if the half fowards are pushing up, what is the opposition half back doing? Either pushing up or playing loose in the backline, right?
Or maybe you should go watch a game!


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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2023 10:08 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
IMO:
Cottrell isn’t a wingman. Walsh should be midfield.
JSoS is in our best 22 and McGovern is close to not.
Boyd is not and Acres is not.
TDK is.


:lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2023 10:11 pm 
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B: Boyd Young Newman
HB: Docherty Weitering Saad

Foll: Pittonet Kennedy Cerra
C: Acres Cripps Cottrell

HF: Martin McKay Walsh
F: Owies Charlie McGovern

Int: Cincotta Hewett Durdin Hollands
Sub: Jack

McGovern is a beautiful ball user but he's not getting enough opportunity down back. Time to give him a run up the ground and using his kicking inside 50.
It's tough to drop Motlop on Indigenous round but he's not doing enough IMHO. Can't see it happening though.

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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2023 11:25 pm 
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
IMO:
Cottrell isn’t a wingman. Walsh should be midfield.
JSoS is in our best 22 and McGovern is close to not.
Boyd is not and Acres is not.
TDK is.


:lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2023 9:36 am 
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snakehips wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Is the media correct today stating Cripps only won one centre clearance?

One more than Doc.

Would be interesting to find the stat of how many centre Bounces (CB's) the Carlton mids had.
This site is handy for centre bounce attendances, though doesn't offer the stat for actual clearances won.
https://dfsaustralia.com/afl-cbas/?team=CAR&season=2023



Thanks snakehips. I forgot about that site. O recommended it to another TCer a while back.

Shows that Docherty attended CB 27% and Cerra 14%. They had the least time there of all the mids.

Cripps 87% for one CB clearance.
Hewett 70%, Walsh 43% Kennedy 57%

Obviously Doc and Cerra are thrown in there top add to the mix, but to suggest Doc is a failure in the CB having not won a CB clearance is a bit of a stretch.

If anything, we need more players to run through there like other teams do with their small forwards. Mix it up. Spread the load. Keep 'em fresh.

That's where Cripps succeeded against Pies in round 23 last year, and that's where he is to win it this week.

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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2023 10:23 am 
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Its time to roll the dice:

OUT: Ed Curnow, Motlop
IN: Boyd, Martin

From what Ive seen from Boyd in the VFL, he has been frustrating with his lack of discipline and is not in good form yet.
His kicking last week against the Under 18's was not at the same level it was last year.
Despite that, I am going to take a risk and put Boyd in the BP for run and dare, and hopefully good disposal.
Maybe, like Farmer suggests, and like some players, Boyd might be better in the AFL than he is in VFL, and play his role.

Love the idea Young follows Cox everywhere and exploit Cox with his speed and running power.

With Boyd in, it allows Doc to mix it up and have a few stints with the midfield group.
When Young rucks against Cox, Pies will have a small to fill the gap, that's when Doc should play back.
I don't want Cerra on a HBF, nor Kennedy, nor Hewett. They are midfielders.

The risky picks for me this week, would be Boyd at BP, Martin HF, because he looked right to go on the weekend and is our best HF, and possibly TDK at FF, to stretch the Pies backmen and allow Harry and Charlie the freedom further up the ground. The weather looks to be crap and not made for TDK.

Instead, Ive gone for SOS on Mihocek, Young on Cox, and Weitering on Johnson, with Weiters as the intercept mark, and Gov as a target as the 3rd tall. Not sure if his hammies can handle that but that's what you get from Gov.

I don't like the idea of 3 small forwards, especially when 2 are still young and developing. Owies is da No 1 small and Durdin is our quickest, but Martin's inclusion gives us an extra runner who can mark if Harry and Charlie leave the forwardline like last week in the 2nd half.



B: Boyd Young Weitering
HB: Saad SOS Newman

C: Acres Cripps Cottrell
F: Pittonet Walsh Cerra

HF: Martin Harry Docherty
F: Owies Charlie McGovern

I: Cincotta Hewett Kennedy Hollands
S: Durdin

E: Ed Motlop Kemp

I dont mind which one of Durdin and Hollands is sub.

I don't think Boyd and Martin will be picked let alone TDK who has a few things to work on in the VFL according to Voss.

Eye of the Tiger and lets hit those running Pies hard...corkies, knees, elbows, crunching tackles. I'd like to see some dirty tackles in our forwardline to soften them up.

I made the decision not to watch the boys live this week because I was flat after the Doggies, and with the weather being putrid and cold, I will watch the game from the comfort of my couch.

GO BLUES ... I hate the Pies.

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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2023 11:42 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Our forward attack is too predictable with 59..4% going to Charlie or Harry, we need more targets like JSOS and McGovern up there to make us more dangerous like Brisbane. Our duo is ranked no. 1 ahead of West Coast and North.

So I think our best line up this weekend against a team that runs and is damaging looks like this.

B: Kemp Young Newman
HB: Docherty Weitering Saad

Foll: Pittonet Kennedy Cerra
C: Acres Cripps Cottrell

HF: Martin Charlie JSOS
F: Owies McKay McGovern

Int: Cincotta Hewett Durdin Walsh
Sub: LOB



I have said our biggest issue is getting it inside 50 quickly and to the advantage of our players. In the second half on the weekend we opened up the forward line and got it in quickly to the best option. The small forwards then got involved. Intersting that Charlie was involved in three goals in the 3rd quarter outside 50

I agree about McGovern forward. Allows Charlie to push up and is another genuine marking option. Martin then becomes another option.

Our ball use and speed is improving we just need to convert better. I have said it before but McKay should be second ruck like Daniher. Allows more involvement and will help with confidence.

We then have a mix inside 50 of Charlie McKay McGovern Martin Owies Motlop & Durdin. That is a great mix if we use them properly. We can also push Cripps/Kenedy forward at times

I also wouldn't bring in Kemp. I rate him but the Collingwood forward line is smaller and mobile. Boyd in with Docherty Saad Newman Cincotta is our best match up


I agree

The Pies forwards arent tall.
Ive been thinking about Jack on Mihocek or Johnson, for the whole game.
Gov forward.

I think that mix looks better with the additional marking power provided by Gov and Martin.


Think Cameron will be back, maybe.

Um Cox is tall.


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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2023 11:55 am 
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Um Cox is tall.


Being tall is Cox's primary footballing skill.

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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2023 11:59 am 
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I agree with some posters if we are to win this game, which let's be honest seems incredibly unlikely, we need to make a notable positional change to unsettle Mcrea.


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