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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2023 10:58 am 
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Nathan Buckley said this morning that Voss is trying to be to nice and needs to be his natural self.

Needs to be more combative and tell it like it is. I agree


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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2023 11:17 am 
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Jordan Dawson saying this morning they put a lot of work into Goalkicking and take pride in kicking goals when given the opportunity

Something I wish we would do


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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2023 11:33 am 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
Jordan Dawson saying this morning they put a lot of work into Goalkicking and take pride in kicking goals when given the opportunity

Something I wish we would do


I have long felt... football clubs are always trying to find that next new way to get that extra 1% competitive edge ... I suspect one day a club will decide to spend a substantially greater amount of time in goal kicking, not just practice but also theory, so best ways to teach/develop goal kicking, and that team might go off and win a premiership ... it is the ultimate form of efficiency if you can suddenly kick goals from 75% of shots on goal rather than 50%


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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2023 12:14 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Jordan Dawson saying this morning they put a lot of work into Goalkicking and take pride in kicking goals when given the opportunity

Something I wish we would do


I have long felt... football clubs are always trying to find that next new way to get that extra 1% competitive edge ... I suspect one day a club will decide to spend a substantially greater amount of time in goal kicking, not just practice but also theory, so best ways to teach/develop goal kicking, and that team might go off and win a premiership ... it is the ultimate form of efficiency if you can suddenly kick goals from 75% of shots on goal rather than 50%


Agree. What is interesting is I have heard that Melbourne, Adelaide Geelong & Collingwood have all put a high emphasis on skills training in the last 12-24 months.


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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2023 2:08 pm 
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“I’m getting frustrated that Charlie Curnow is getting bracketed with Harry McKay. The two of those guys (against the Bulldogs) were moved further from goal to try and open up and give other players opportunity,” King said on Fox Footy.

“Charlie is not the problem, so don’t move Charlie and stop messing around with Charlie’s magnet. He was targeted four times inside 50 on the weekend, he’s the second-best target in the competition.

“I just don’t understand why you would move him further away from goal when he’s the only reason you score.

“If you look at the Harry debate, it’s a different one altogether, but to move Charlie further from goal, you will lose twice. You don’t get that productivity inside forward 50 and genuine panic among back sixes you should get when you’ve got a player of that calibre.

“Other teams would say (to Curnow): ‘Go, roam up the field. We’ll just stay here, Harry is not kicking goals anyway, so are you going to kick it to him? And what, get another couple of points?’”


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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2023 2:09 pm 
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Moving both key forwards away from goal has to be the move of the century


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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2023 3:31 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Jordan Dawson saying this morning they put a lot of work into Goalkicking and take pride in kicking goals when given the opportunity

Something I wish we would do


I have long felt... football clubs are always trying to find that next new way to get that extra 1% competitive edge ... I suspect one day a club will decide to spend a substantially greater amount of time in goal kicking, not just practice but also theory, so best ways to teach/develop goal kicking, and that team might go off and win a premiership ... it is the ultimate form of efficiency if you can suddenly kick goals from 75% of shots on goal rather than 50%



100%.

We need to practise from every angle, both sides. Like the 80's & 90's.
Work out for real who can kick and who cant, then fix it or get rid of them.

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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2023 3:35 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
Nathan Buckley said this morning that Voss is trying to be to nice and needs to be his natural self.

Needs to be more combative and tell it like it is. I agree



I didnt hear the interview but read the transcript.
I read Buckley said he understands why Vossy is staying positive, and keeping things positive.
I didnt read Needs to be more combative, is that what he said?

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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2023 4:16 pm 
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It was implied.


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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2023 4:45 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
“I’m getting frustrated that Charlie Curnow is getting bracketed with Harry McKay. The two of those guys (against the Bulldogs) were moved further from goal to try and open up and give other players opportunity,” King said on Fox Footy.

“Charlie is not the problem, so don’t move Charlie and stop messing around with Charlie’s magnet. He was targeted four times inside 50 on the weekend, he’s the second-best target in the competition.

“I just don’t understand why you would move him further away from goal when he’s the only reason you score.

“If you look at the Harry debate, it’s a different one altogether, but to move Charlie further from goal, you will lose twice. You don’t get that productivity inside forward 50 and genuine panic among back sixes you should get when you’ve got a player of that calibre.

“Other teams would say (to Curnow): ‘Go, roam up the field. We’ll just stay here, Harry is not kicking goals anyway, so are you going to kick it to him? And what, get another couple of points?’”


So true

This idea of Curnow roaming around the ground is ridiculous

A good coach would use these two very good key forwards productively closer to goals. Curnow pinch hitting at times through the middle is a better option to introduce versatility to the side.

Both players should in the team to be your prime goal kickers


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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2023 7:31 pm 
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Voss to me seems to need some sharp edged tactical support in the coach's box. He doesn't seem to be able to counter the ultra strategic coaches like Lyon etc.

I wonder if we could talk Don Pyke out of Sydney?

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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2023 7:38 pm 
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Put Harry into ruck. Make him work hard.

It's no more ridiculous than Silvagni in ruck.


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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2023 9:02 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
Voss to me seems to need some sharp edged tactical support in the coach's box. He doesn't seem to be able to counter the ultra strategic coaches like Lyon etc.

I wonder if we could talk Don Pyke out of Sydney?


How about if he just employs his half time strategy before the game...worth a go

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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2023 10:02 pm 
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WOW wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
“I’m getting frustrated that Charlie Curnow is getting bracketed with Harry McKay. The two of those guys (against the Bulldogs) were moved further from goal to try and open up and give other players opportunity,” King said on Fox Footy.

“Charlie is not the problem, so don’t move Charlie and stop messing around with Charlie’s magnet. He was targeted four times inside 50 on the weekend, he’s the second-best target in the competition.

“I just don’t understand why you would move him further away from goal when he’s the only reason you score.

“If you look at the Harry debate, it’s a different one altogether, but to move Charlie further from goal, you will lose twice. You don’t get that productivity inside forward 50 and genuine panic among back sixes you should get when you’ve got a player of that calibre.

“Other teams would say (to Curnow): ‘Go, roam up the field. We’ll just stay here, Harry is not kicking goals anyway, so are you going to kick it to him? And what, get another couple of points?’”


So true

This idea of Curnow roaming around the ground is ridiculous

A good coach would use these two very good key forwards productively closer to goals. Curnow pinch hitting at times through the middle is a better option to introduce versatility to the side.

Both players should in the team to be your prime goal kickers
Sorry WOW and David King.... But I disagree....
Charlie roaming up the ground is EXACTLY what has to happen (throughout the game)

1. Good luck to the KPD chasing, so it creates a free player
2. Let Charlie take the ball around the 50-55 m area... Greater space in this area, no second defender dropping across the front and see point 1.above
3. Charlie can kick it from there.... The defence flood will get a good view of it sailing over their head...
4.Even if Charlie misses from there, the defence starts second guessing what they should do... See point 1 and 2..
5. When the defence start trying to go with him, playing on opens up the forward 50...thus passing to Harry, Owies, Motlop, Someone becomes an option... Charlie is just about our best kick
6. See point 1 to 6 and decide what you are doing if you are defending.... Good luck

Shall I go on...



That's what pi$$ed me off with the Saints game... All they can do is hold defence and we played in a way which allowed them to remain that way...



Go Blues

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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2023 10:54 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Jordan Dawson saying this morning they put a lot of work into Goalkicking and take pride in kicking goals when given the opportunity

Something I wish we would do


I have long felt... football clubs are always trying to find that next new way to get that extra 1% competitive edge ... I suspect one day a club will decide to spend a substantially greater amount of time in goal kicking, not just practice but also theory, so best ways to teach/develop goal kicking, and that team might go off and win a premiership ... it is the ultimate form of efficiency if you can suddenly kick goals from 75% of shots on goal rather than 50%

not just goal kick but field kicking too. Acres has to be one of the worst kicks in the league, whether he's kicking intentional to an unmarked player or a one v one or just hacking it forward the regularity with which he seems to find an "intercept" opposition player it just uncanny.

if i was playing AFL even on $42K a year and my field kick was that bad I'd be in the nets or out with a volunteer for hours a day practicing 15-20 metre kicks on both sides until I could do it blind-folded and hoping on the other leg for my run up. then look at 30-35m for the next months, how ever long it takes. I never fond kicking easy and footy wasn't my game but how hard can it be to improve from bottom of the barrel to above average in a poor kicking team if you really set your heart and mind to the mission? i'd be embarrassed to serve that steaming pile up week in and week out.


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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2023 8:04 am 
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Game plan (ball movement) biggest problem easily. That is on the coach and his team.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/927553/a-tr ... -the-blues


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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2023 8:07 am 
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Stats don't lie.

We move the ball slowly, that is game plan.

We go to Harry and Charlie too much. That is game plan.

Slow and predictable.
Terrible coaching.


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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2023 8:55 am 
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billc3 wrote:
WOW wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
“I’m getting frustrated that Charlie Curnow is getting bracketed with Harry McKay. The two of those guys (against the Bulldogs) were moved further from goal to try and open up and give other players opportunity,” King said on Fox Footy.

“Charlie is not the problem, so don’t move Charlie and stop messing around with Charlie’s magnet. He was targeted four times inside 50 on the weekend, he’s the second-best target in the competition.

“I just don’t understand why you would move him further away from goal when he’s the only reason you score.

“If you look at the Harry debate, it’s a different one altogether, but to move Charlie further from goal, you will lose twice. You don’t get that productivity inside forward 50 and genuine panic among back sixes you should get when you’ve got a player of that calibre.

“Other teams would say (to Curnow): ‘Go, roam up the field. We’ll just stay here, Harry is not kicking goals anyway, so are you going to kick it to him? And what, get another couple of points?’”


So true

This idea of Curnow roaming around the ground is ridiculous

A good coach would use these two very good key forwards productively closer to goals. Curnow pinch hitting at times through the middle is a better option to introduce versatility to the side.

Both players should in the team to be your prime goal kickers
Sorry WOW and David King.... But I disagree....
Charlie roaming up the ground is EXACTLY what has to happen (throughout the game)

1. Good luck to the KPD chasing, so it creates a free player
2. Let Charlie take the ball around the 50-55 m area... Greater space in this area, no second defender dropping across the front and see point 1.above
3. Charlie can kick it from there.... The defence flood will get a good view of it sailing over their head...
4.Even if Charlie misses from there, the defence starts second guessing what they should do... See point 1 and 2..
5. When the defence start trying to go with him, playing on opens up the forward 50...thus passing to Harry, Owies, Motlop, Someone becomes an option... Charlie is just about our best kick
6. See point 1 to 6 and decide what you are doing if you are defending.... Good luck

Shall I go on...



That's what pi$$ed me off with the Saints game... All they can do is hold defence and we played in a way which allowed them to remain that way...



Go Blues


Are you apologising to David King yesterday, or David King from three weeks ago who explicitly said that we need to separate the two key forwards and have Charlie playing much higher up the ground. The bloke can't remember what he ate for breakfast.

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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2023 9:28 am 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Game plan (ball movement) biggest problem easily. That is on the coach and his team.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/927553/a-tr ... -the-blues


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Furthermore, of the 13 Blues players to have had at least 15 kicks going inside-50 this season, only five have a positive kick rating. They are Ed Curnow (+18.7 per cent), Charlie Curnow (+7.5), Jack Silvagni (+6.5), Matt Kennedy (+4.9) and Blake Acres (+4).


Busting the myth that Ed is a bad kick.

So, the takeaway is that we’re still mastering the art of go slow/go fast, which means we’re a work in progress and should “click” at some stage this season.

The other is that our forward 50 entries are too predictable AND low quality.

A combination of player skills and game style execution, so either we believe in the process and stick with Voss, or we sack another coach.

Maybe we should stick with the coach we have this time for at least five years if we’re going to lose anyway, I’m sick of changing coaches.


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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2023 11:28 am 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Stats don't lie.

We move the ball slowly, that is game plan.

We go to Harry and Charlie too much. That is game plan.

Slow and predictable.


True, but we didnt play like that when we were 8-2 last year.

Tells me Vossy listened to the media, a bit too much, and went too hard the other way.

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