And further to my post (even though not a fan of his) I'd play Dow every week.
Worst case he proves he isn't up to being an AFL footballer.
Best case the confidence and continuity of playing every week leads to all clicking and we have another player.
Middle case scenario, it clicks for him but he then says screw you I'm outta here after not being played earlier.
At least then, we may get something decent in a trade. Currently, he sits at Will Setterfield level in terms of currency - pick 860 for Dow and pick 861.
He shows something at AFL level over next 14 weeks or so, we may get that up to a 3rd or possibly even 2nd rounder.

Double post

I agree with all these.

They can't give Cunningham & Marchbank yet another year as it stands now.

They'd have to get back on the park in the next two weeks and be at their absolute best for the rest of the season.

We have more important things on our plate that thinking about Dow.
Ive was a fan after his first couple games this year, but realise there isnt a defensive/competitive bone in his body.
He's there to chase the ball from the tap, and that's where it ends.
Whose spot does he take?

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Harry & Cripps locked in for a long time. FMD AFL footballers who cant kick. WTF is that? Its a problem that needs fixing.

Our forward targets:
Owies FF
Durdin CHF
Motlop out of form

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I am starting to come around to this. All those years of rounds 2 & 3 draft busts are really showing when you look at how many players from other clubs we have in our team. It's a truckload.

I think we need to cut our losses before it's too late. We need to trade some good players.

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Hewett... the midfield mix with Kennedy and Cripps is unbalanced especially when Cerra is played off half back

Don't know if it will work out but what we're doing now ain't working either...

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Yes. Need to do it this year. Last time we were in this position was the end of 2012 and we did nothing at the end of the off season but bring in MM. We missed the opportunity to redesign the list by not admitting to ourselves we had a problem and spent years down the bottom .

2012 is a good comparison

Overrated our list and did not regenerate the list in a timely manner

Although we should have regenerated this list about two years. Persisting with players like Fisher, Plowman and Ed Curnow was stupid. Probably went too soon topping up list with expensive established players on long term contracts.

Part of the club's predicament is due to poor coaching, part of it is due to Silvagni's incompetence drafting smalls. Look at his pathetic record.

The list does not need to be blown up, it just needs to be tweaked.

After years of capitulating/accusations of flakiness Richmond made some smart trades at the end of 2016 and look at what followed. I'm not saying Carlton necessarily has a premiership list, but things can change quickly with some subtle changes to the list and coaching staff.

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Richmond were in a much different position on the timeline than we were. They'd played 3 losing EFs in a row, & learnt & developed from those disappointments. We haven't even done that yet.

I was in the just a few tweaks camp too Effes but last night has swayed me

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Agree. We need to make big moves end of year - the season will be done and dusted in 4 weeks.

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O say does that star spangled banner yet wave.

This group hasn’t recovered from two close losses last season, can you imagine the recovery time they’d need for three elimination final losses, haha

We need a Port Adelaide style top up. Problem we have is the lack of picks. No second or third round picks hurt.

TDK to Sydney for their first.
2024 first for one of with GWS or GC (let’s face it one of them will lose a gun kid and get another first in)
Fisher to WCE for third round?
JSOS let go a FA, maybe end of second but more likely third.

Package those thirds with our fourths for a second for academy or FS

That clears near $1m a year off the cap, replace them with kids and we’ve probably got $400k surplus. Bank it.

Draft a hybrid mid/forward and the 2 fastest kids that can kick

I wish they can have an end of year Draft for CEO's, presidents & Recruiters.... We would not be in this mess


SOS is mad at the club for the way they treated him, but his recruiting has also been dismal. His 2 Sons have not lived up to the reputation of their old man. Ben already moved on and Jack comes with limitations, does some nice things from time to time but has no strong presence and no consistency. An honest C Grader!


We recruited 3 players who were all supposed to be A Graders. Yet, at Carlton they are playing like Average C Grade players... so what went Wrong?

- Cerra : Gun midfielder at Freo...
- Hewett: An upcoming Bull who showed he is all Class at Sydney
- Acres: Was a good player at both the Saints & Freo... showed lots of Dash and kicked many Goals.

Yet at Carlton, they have all stalled and gone backwards... Why?

I Suspect our culture, our Coaching methods and our Game Style has a lot to do with it

the club is in this position due to SOS poor recruiting ,all those early draft picks that were misses would have been our backbone now and Acres yes selected by Austin has had 1 good season only and i remember reading from a freo supporter before we signed him up that he is turnover merchant yes gets the ball and just bombs straight to opposition how true .

I reckon across the 9 rounds Acres' good has outweighed his bad

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I don’t think we have seen improvement in the list this year and this is a problem when we have backed ourselves to improve. However, not sure you are using the best examples with cerra and hewett.

No problems with Cerra at all - he continues to improve and is somewhat held back when moved to HB. Hewett until injured last year and this year was very good.

I have stated this many times re early draft pick misses. With poor results, players like SPS, Fisher, Dow and O’Brien have played too many games for this club. Same for Plowman and Ed Curnow. A smart and ruthless club generally times its list departures at appropriate times, particularly when a player has some value at the trade table.

Additionally, recruiting injury prone players on longer term contracts makes our list management problems worse.

Bear in mind that this is now a 22 year old problem, not just since SOS became our list manager.

Yep , and by a fair margin . Has overall been pretty good .

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