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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2023 10:33 pm 
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They could sack him.....or mix up the assistants? As BV has pointed out, there isn't much ingenuity there.

Cheaper to change the assistants? But then Carlton has never really cared about how much it costs.

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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2023 10:33 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
Our problems IMO aren't in defence they are Midfield and our half forward issues.
Our mids overuse of the ball is killing our defence ciz they can't setup for the absolute howler turnovers from our mids and wingers who look lost once they get the ball on the wing coz they look up and see opposition players down the line and our half forwards and key forwards have pushed up the ground to high. We need to use Handballs and link up that way instead of bombing it down the line for another turnover.
The only change to our midfield since rd 13 or so last season has been Docherty in and that's been forced due to injuries to Walsh, Kennedy and Hewett .
The coaching group just relies heavily on Cripps to the point where teams now work through him and we still do the same crap week in week out. Oh actually the master stroke of putting Kennedy and now Cerra to HB is also another disaster.
I'm not a fan of Fisher but surely he should be used inside centre bounces along with Durdin and Motlop as they all posses evasive skills with quick feet and a little zip needed to burst from contests.
I have no idea why Voss is so predictable at every centre bounce that Cripps is needed in there.
We are too predictable and teams have worked is out for almost a year and this coaching group had all summer to work on things but at the moment it's the same predictable crap every game.
Voss lost me after the crows game and I've seen nothing since to change my mind that tactical he is bottom 4 in the league of coaches.



what were “the layers” Voss thought he’s been adding to our game other than a go slow button for emergency use only? currently used about three times per quarter for ten minutes a go.


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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2023 10:34 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
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Flower off, I’d back LoB’s hardness over your coaching nous


Seriously you don't know what the @#$%&! you're talking about

Look at the number of wins since R10 last year
Look at our last 5 games
Look at the scorelines

You think this coach has us going well and trending the right way?
Seriously??

You like his slow sideways game plan?
You like how his game plan makes the most of our key forwards?


I think we actually agree. Maybe read what i said
Piss off mate. You don't know shit.


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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2023 10:35 pm 
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Effes wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
I thought he was referring to Voss


:lol:

Me too.

Yup :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2023 10:38 pm 
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DesEnglish wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
Flower off, I’d back LoB’s hardness over your coaching nous


Seriously you don't know what the @#$%&! you're talking about

Look at the number of wins since R10 last year
Look at our last 5 games
Look at the scorelines

You think this coach has us going well and trending the right way?
Seriously??

You like his slow sideways game plan?
You like how his game plan makes the most of our key forwards?


I think we actually agree. Maybe read what i said
Piss off mate. You don't know shit.


FMD, how do you react when people disagree?


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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2023 11:02 pm 
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Jonathan Brown: “It was frustrating, hopefully they change it around. I've loved when I've seen McKay deep inside 50. He's such a big man, he's quick, he's hard to play against, defenders start to worry, they chop his arms.”


Harry scored a tonne of goals last year 5-20 m out from free kicks on not too bad angles when defenders panicked and chopped his arms or grabbed the jumper etc etc. not this season and it’s hurting his confidence it would seem. somethings not right.

also, i don’t know why he gets to decide when he snaps or drop punts when he’s choosing to snap straight in front 30 m out. i’m not buying this statically superior malarkey. he’s so inaccurate anyhow this season he needs to adopt some conventional goal kicking wisdom first and stick at it until he’s back in the zone scoring three goals a game.

someone needs to coach him strongly in team discipline. is it possible to drop a Coleman medalist? he’s not exactly Sticks, who at least had the sense to know when we really needed one to stay in the game and went back a put it through.


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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2023 11:15 pm 
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diesel95 wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Jonathan Brown: “It was frustrating, hopefully they change it around. I've loved when I've seen McKay deep inside 50. He's such a big man, he's quick, he's hard to play against, defenders start to worry, they chop his arms.”


Harry scored a tonne of goals last year 5-20 m out from free kicks on not too bad angles when defenders panicked and chopped his arms or grabbed the jumper etc etc. not this season and it’s hurting his confidence it would seem. somethings not right.

also, i don’t know why he gets to decide when he snaps or drop punts when he’s choosing to snap straight in front 30 m out. i’m not buying this statically superior malarkey. he’s so inaccurate anyhow this season he needs to adopt some conventional goal kicking wisdom first and stick at it until he’s back in the zone scoring three goals a game.

someone needs to coach him strongly in team discipline. is it possible to drop a Coleman medalist? he’s not exactly Sticks, who at least had the sense to know when we really needed one to stay in the game and went back a put it through.


Pathetic clubs allows him to kick around the corner for straight forwards kicks in front of goal

This should have been sorted a long time ago

Eight years into a rebuild and we continue to make silly mistakes


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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2023 10:11 am 
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29 I50s for 1 goal with small forwards as the key targets.

Anyone who depends Voss has rocks in their heads.

Our game plan and ball movement is a complete utter joke.


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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2023 1:06 pm 
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Voss says we looked more like ourselves

Yes 1 goal in a half is about right


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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2023 3:55 pm 
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Just think if we got Ross Lyon we would have only lost to the Crows by 52 points instead of 56.
Ross currently tracking worse than Ratten at the same stage..


It is not Voss

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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2023 4:21 pm 
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Let's move our best Midfielder this season (Cerra) to HB.
Another master stroke from Vossy.


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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2023 5:19 pm 
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I’d like Voss to coach like he played. Tough, uncompromising, no BS and where winning is expected. Voss the Coach sounds like a Politician trying to play both sides of the fence


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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2023 5:25 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
I’d like Voss to coach like he played. Tough, uncompromising, no BS and where winning is expected. Voss the Coach sounds like a Politician trying to play both sides of the fence



Sorry Farmer I like and agree with a lot of your comments but on this I differ. Would you prefer Voss to coach via the press? I think he gives an open and honest assessment to the questions asked, but keeps specifics within the 4 walls for the players. As he should.


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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2023 5:47 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
I’d like Voss to coach like he played. Tough, uncompromising, no BS and where winning is expected. Voss the Coach sounds like a Politician trying to play both sides of the fence



Sorry Farmer I like and agree with a lot of your comments but on this I differ. Would you prefer Voss to coach via the press? I think he gives an open and honest assessment to the questions asked, but keeps specifics within the 4 walls for the players. As he should.


I just feel there needs to be a cultural change. Words mean a lot. Listen to McRae and he talks all the time about being “winners” and what he expects

All our coaches etc sound like mediocrity is okay and we can’t expect to much. Might be just me but we have been too nice for to long


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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2023 9:02 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
I’d like Voss to coach like he played. Tough, uncompromising, no BS and where winning is expected. Voss the Coach sounds like a Politician trying to play both sides of the fence



Sorry Farmer I like and agree with a lot of your comments but on this I differ. Would you prefer Voss to coach via the press? I think he gives an open and honest assessment to the questions asked, but keeps specifics within the 4 walls for the players. As he should.
I think both of these can be happening....

My positive is that I've seen more coaching in the last two rounds than just about all before.... Mind you some of the changes have been clangers...
(Ed as sub?.. Just couldn't see what he was meant to be doing let alone how be would have an impact??)

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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2023 9:08 pm 
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Voss will stay. Expect Brian cook to ensure that.

Can’t underestimate the roles played by Hanson, Clarke and Hamill. Personally that’s were I’d be looking to spice up if change is required.


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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2023 9:57 pm 
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I think Hansen is ok - but Hamill and Clarke not so much.

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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2023 10:52 pm 
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billc3 wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
I’d like Voss to coach like he played. Tough, uncompromising, no BS and where winning is expected. Voss the Coach sounds like a Politician trying to play both sides of the fence



Sorry Farmer I like and agree with a lot of your comments but on this I differ. Would you prefer Voss to coach via the press? I think he gives an open and honest assessment to the questions asked, but keeps specifics within the 4 walls for the players. As he should.
I think both of these can be happening....

My positive is that I've seen more coaching in the last two rounds than just about all before.... Mind you some of the changes have been clangers...
(Ed as sub?.. Just couldn't see what he was meant to be doing let alone how be would have an impact??)

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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2023 8:39 am 
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I think Hansen is ok - but Hamill and Clarke not so much.

They could probably offer the ability to watch Hamill get the Don't Come Monday (in person or on a web-stream) as a premium membership offering.

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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2023 10:18 am 
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diesel95 wrote:
what were “the layers” Voss thought he’s been adding to our game other than a go slow button for emergency use only? currently used about three times per quarter for ten minutes a go.



IMO there's actually no shortage of layers at Carlton.


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