Traveller86 wrote:
keogh wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
SEN banging the drum for us to consider Chad Wingard at season end.
Mixed feelings on it. From afar, I think he's a me first player to a point where it becomes a toxic influence, plays when he wants and has a serious case of the head drops when it gets tough. Question marks around whether he's still got it too.
On the other hand, we desperately need a player of that ilk in our forward 50. Ideally it would have been Breust at some point, but feel like he's also fallen away to a point of no longer delivering to AFL standard, and would also like someone who could rotate through the midfield.
Michael Walters out of contract and Freo could do with a rebuild. At 32, probably not ideal. Slim pickings elsewhere.
WE need someone who can mark and kick goals in the forwardline.
We miss an in form Jack Martin who is injury prone.
I feel 3 smalls in one too many and we need a better mix forward.
Chad turns 30 next year and has played 6 games in 2023. He's kicked 2 goals and assisted in 3.
Durdin played 7 has kicked 9 and assisted in 2, and Motlop played 7 has kicked 8 and assisted in 2.
Owies has played 3 games for 6 goals and 1 assist.
Owies is a keeper.
Will Motlop or Durdin improve their game next year?
Chad and Walters are far from their best imo.
We have to target an in contract player who we need.
There will be space with marchbank and Cuningham not likely to be retained due to injury.
Bondi
This sort of recruiting your suggesting is one of the reasons we are an average team 8 years into a rebuild
You need talent from picking kids at the draft and developing them to be at least good players by their mid 20 s
We haven’t done this but internally the club thinks we have and continue to give away picks and take up salary cap space with guys like Acres
We need to go back to the draft and pick kids for the next few years and hopefully be mostly successful at to improve . Cook has said this will happen anyway because of a lack of salary cap space
Thank god McGovern’s contract is up and Martins’ is next year
That’s 1.3 million we can better spend elsewhere on some decent kids
We aren’t good enough and need to mini rebuild and hopefully recruit better
Wingard looks on the downward spiral anyway
Spot on
Not really.
Is today's problem with the list or with the game plan?
I thought injuries derailed us last year, and this year we've been hindered by over correction of a game plan, plus injuries.
I know where keogh is coming from, and I agree in part.
Do you really believe we havent used the draft?
SOS turned over a full list, and filled it with kids, then he had to use late picks to secure mature bodies to take the hits, but they were very average and not much thought into Cat B or mature players from VFL SAFL and WAFL. This part I agree with keogh.
SOS stripped us bare, and I dont think he made many good choices in the draft.
There's more to it than the 2 picks for McGovern and Martin and Williams didnt cost us picks, just cap space we were never going to use on kids. We had to spend the money otherwise we would be paying kids the majority of the cap. Acres and Hewett dont cost us much and didnt cost us much.
Gov and Martin do NOT create a $1.3M of salary cap when they complete their contract next year. Would be lucky for it to be $600K after being front loaded. And if there was $1.3M, I'm not hearing how that will be spent. $800 for TDK? $500K to ????? Give us some suggestions on how and where?
Yeah, I agree development was an issue, but its more complex than that and more complex than the wasted recruits from GWS, which we got for nothing.
Have a look at the Round 1 draftees outside of No 1 picks ..... its getting boring TBH, but I can only think of McKay, Charlie and Hollands really standing out. The drafting record is pretty bad and wasteful.
I like the list, but it has cost us, and now things are tight. How cool would it have been with a fit and reliable Martin, Gov, Williams & Marchbank? They would make a huge difference. Just have to have a look at how we competed with 3 best mids missing and the abovementioned playing in round 22 & 23.
7 of our best 14 players on our list, imo come from Trades.
OK, we go to the draft next year with a first round pick, then another in 2024 with a 2nd and 3rd pick....before I go to the next year, how long before these draftees are ready for AFL?
I dont know what the answer is, but I do know we have a dozen great players and need to get a couple more to add OR, Vossy finds the right balance for his newest Game Plan and away we go.
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