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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 4:30 pm 
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Harry Vallence

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17th Premiership wrote:
Not sure why so many want to move McGovern forward?
I think he has been doing well as an intercept defender. But, if you think he hasn’t been going well, why would you move him forward where he has never been good?
We just need to switch Harry and Charlie so that Charlie plays CHF (in the Jeremy Cameron role) and Harry plays close to goal. And we need them to, as well as the smalls, to work together better providing alternative options and keeping the forward line open.
At the other end of the ground, I like Kemp and McGovern as the interceptors, with Weitering and Young to man the big forwards. (I’d be open to switching Weitering to an intercepting role but only once we have one of the others ready to take the shut down role). newman in traditional back pocket and Saad, Docherty/Cowan/Boyd running the ball out.
But, firstly, and foremostly :-) we need to win the ball in the middle and get it moving with speed and purpose. I’m less concerned about precision if we can master the speed and purpose - if the forwards set up well, they will make it work (which is how the Pies do it).


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My take he is has been okay. My reasoning for moving him forward is

1. We have other good options for his role in defence
2. We are struggling to kick goals and need options. He can play that role well and I believe better than Jack
3. Allows Charlie or Harry to go up the ground at times and give is difference options
4. I believe he would worry the defence
5. Very good kick for goal


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 4:51 pm 
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Fair enough, thanks.
If he takes Jack’s spot it could work.
I do think he would be better as a third forward than he was as the second banana.


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 5:16 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
Fair enough, thanks.
If he takes Jack’s spot it could work.
I do think he would be better as a third forward than he was as the second banana.


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That is the main difference for Gov returning to forward line.

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 5:41 pm 
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Purely based upon the output I've seen in the last 4 to 6 matches, I envision it nigh on impossible for cfc to win this match.

Timid players, timid coaching box, creating mediocre efforts as "acceptable".

In a previous life, we used to be great.
Currently a cardboard cut out team.
Shame really.


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 5:51 pm 
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Ugle Hagan and Tim O'Brien in doubt, Treloar out - mentioned on SEN.


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 6:30 pm 
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jim wrote:
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CK95 wrote:
Regarding missing finals. I suppose it would be too complex for a footballer to say something to the effect of "well, I'd regard it as a failure but I suppose individual opinions in the club may vary & there'd be some of us who wouldn't"

Perfect political answer. Say something without saying something. Instead he's going to get pulled up like Harry was


There are some extremely disappointing comments from Adam in that article.

It reeks of accepting mediocrity which has been a massive club culture and playing group issue for far, far too long. To see one of our "leading" midfielders speak like that in the media is just a massive slap in the face to the club and more importantly supporters.

:banghead: :garthp: :confused: :mad:


Have to separate what is purely media talk and what is not.


Hey Jim

Can you clarify that comment please? Are you suggesting that is a fake news article?

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 9:07 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
Not sure why so many want to move McGovern forward?
I think he has been doing well as an intercept defender. But, if you think he hasn’t been going well, why would you move him forward where he has never been good?
We just need to switch Harry and Charlie so that Charlie plays CHF (in the Jeremy Cameron role) and Harry plays close to goal. And we need them to, as well as the smalls, to work together better providing alternative options and keeping the forward line open.
At the other end of the ground, I like Kemp and McGovern as the interceptors, with Weitering and Young to man the big forwards. (I’d be open to switching Weitering to an intercepting role but only once we have one of the others ready to take the shut down role). newman in traditional back pocket and Saad, Docherty/Cowan/Boyd running the ball out.
But, firstly, and foremostly :-) we need to win the ball in the middle and get it moving with speed and purpose. I’m less concerned about precision if we can master the speed and purpose - if the forwards set up well, they will make it work (which is how the Pies do it).


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:eek: :screwy: Isn't that what happened last week? We got the ball and turned it over. No we just need to make sure we are clean, precise and accurate by hand and foot. Do that with the same intensity as last week and we win.


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 9:29 pm 
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Nic Newman free to play


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 9:32 pm 
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rhino27 wrote:
Nic Newman free to play


In: Legal Team

Honestly, they've shown more heart than anyone this year :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 9:35 pm 
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Can't believe he got off that
Smacked him straight in the jaw

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 9:50 pm 
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Great news

Well argued.

Looked worse than it was.
Chest hit continuing its natural path.

OK, so backline in good stead.
Newman Saad Docherty still together.
Weitering and Young for KPFs.

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 10:01 pm 
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Traveller86 wrote:
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Nic Newman free to play


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Honestly, they've shown more heart than anyone this year :lol:

Yep, our legal team owns Chrisso.

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 10:02 pm 
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We should make a statement & drop him :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 10:11 pm 
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We should make a statement & drop him :lol:

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Agreed, I’d love to see someone drop Chrisso


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 10:14 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 10:32 pm 
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Traveller86 wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
Nic Newman free to play


In: Legal Team

Honestly, they've shown more heart than anyone this year :lol:


Maybe that’s what Cripps was talking to Neale about after the game. Neale was a witness to get Newman off. Some thought Cripps was jovial and unconcerned by the bad form (personal and club) but he was possibly thinking of saving Newman the MRJury.


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 10:37 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Can't believe he got off that
Smacked him straight in the jaw

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From afl.com.au
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Carlton's Nic Newman could come under MRO scrutiny for this incident with Brisbane's Lachie Neale
Neale submitted a letter saying his attempt to push Newman away was effectively the main reason why Newman's left elbow made contact with his chin.

"I think I lifted his left arm upwards and it had the effect of his left arm clipping me on the chin," Neale wrote.

Neale was then video called to give further evidence with AFL counsel Andrew Woods arguing it was actually Newman's second push - with his right arm - that was the issue.

That surprised Neale, given it was Newman's left elbow to his chin that was the talking point when Match Review Officer Michael Christian handed down his initial findings.

Neale said he didn't think Newman's push with his right arm was high.

"Because I copped that initial hit, I'm off balance which makes any sort of push easier to get me to ground," Neale replied when asked about Newman's second shove that resulted in the Lions star falling to the ground.

The jury, led by chairman Jeff Gleeson, cleared Newman of the charge.

"The vision is not sufficiently clear to enable us to determine whether the right arm contacted Neale just below or above his shoulders," Gleeson said.


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 10:51 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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I get we are a work in progress, but our backline was our stregth. They arent the ones who missed easy shots at goal that cost us vs Saints, nor creating the 85 points kicked against us from turnovers.


I would guess that 50% of the 85 points from turnover were in the D50 or defenders and wings up the ground. Weitering 12 points at least. Acres, dunno involved in chains of play that conceded about 40 points? Infuriating at least. Young 2 or 3 goals? The handball to opponent was the final straw for Voss. They all had shockers. Footy gods were out to mock any overblown egos that read too much into the Perth training drill. We can bounce back. Our defence hasn’t ever been that bad. Never seen Cripps and Walsh both play a shocker on the same day.

Someone at afl did an expose of Lions tagging Saad as he tried to run past the free kicker for a run and carry. They all did it and just blocked him out of any impact on the game. We need a player to chop out for him or some other ideas if other clubs do that again. He’s too important to us to be tagged out in those set play defensive transitions.


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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2023 9:50 am 
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I reckon Ed needs to stay in to look after Libba. Not sure who can influence Bont but someone also needs to stop Libba at the source.


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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2023 9:58 am 
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robertbb wrote:
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bondiblue wrote:

I agree with sinbagger abot TDK's form, but really worry about the advantage the Dogs will get vs SOS in ruck.

We dont have the height down back to have the luxury of Young in the ruck for a chop out. Its going to be tricky.

I cant recall how well Pitto played against English and Lobb when at Freo. They are both taller than Pitto.


Pies are going okay without a ruck. I would rather haver NO ruck than an average one

I would be happy to go with Pittonet with support by Young McGovern even McKay. Give McKay minutes on ball, get him involved and mix it up a bit like Daniher does. Works well. Our midfield just needs to work off English

Allows us to have another runner


Spot on. The way we were setting up for stoppage against Adelaide was 100% predicated on winning the ruck battle and we got clobbered when we didn't (and we never adjusted).

At least with no ruck we'll be forced to structure up differently and it may actually work to our favour.


Thanks Farmer and Robbie, I was just about to post the same things.

We won the hitouts 54 to 31 against Brisbane but it didn’t seem to stop the Brisbane mids did it?


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