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Lions took Saad out of the game,. had a player on him everytime we had the ball ion D50, so stopped his and our run.

Cripps toweled by Dunkley.

Voss = Outcoached

Docherty has to go back to help and settle the defence
We also need to look to Cincotta as well. His running and ball use is very good
Saad should have become a decoy or link player with Cincotta owrking inside
Add Boyd Docherty to Cincotta and Saad and we should be running it out easily

I question whether we can play both McGovern & Kemp along with Young and Weitering in the same defence

The tagging of Saad , you could argue, was even more crucial to the Lions winning than the tagging of Cripps

We looked completely disorganised down back. As soon as our players saw Saad was not an option, they didn't know what to do. What this tells me is Voss' game plan, down back at least is incredibly one dimensional, and he also has no idea how to respond.

How's the bit of play deep in the Lions' forwardline when we had the ball and we had 3 defenders running as a small group, initially under no pressure, but we didn't know what to do with it, so we ended up @#$%&! it up.

There were 3 Carlton players, and they mucked it up, because they looked up and had nothing to kick to (presumably). Where is the game plan?

Adding layers my arse Michael.

He should sit down and talk to brereton, he seems to know where we are and what we need to do.

But does it really, that's a very linear conclusion.
Can't it also mean we rely too much on a couple of players and said players were outplayed by their respective opponents.
Therefore we needed more players to stand up during the game and give a whole team performance but they actually did the opposite, went to water as in an article posted.
From my perspective, it really shows our underbelly and how little our depth is, making us an easy side to pull apart.
I'd really like to see a game plan that can account for that and a team that actually does it.
Their forward line is packed with stars that can all have an impact on games when others aren't and they usually do step up, unlike our players on the weekend who had the opportunity but flopped hard.

I think the question of if they can as a group against a team that has such good quality smalls and medium forwards was well and truly answered.

I've been saying Brereton should coach for a while. I reckon he'd go alright.

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Which tall defender is the intercept defender? I wish it was Weitering with Durdin and Young looking after the KPFs, unless there's a gorilla Weiters needs to cover eg Hawkins.

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i agree with this wholeheartedly.

the talk of us having a great list is why over estimating our players ... we have elite talent, some good young kids .. then its a cliff face .. nowhere near the quality of list that some suggest.

it shouldnt have to be cripps dominating every game
it shouldnt have to be charlie kicking 9 every game

everyone talks about collingwood etc.. and its not game plan .. its not coaching (to an extent) .. but every player has good skills and executes their role and creates an even contribution ... the same can not be said about us. infact even our good players, at time have some "perplexing" decision making processes, a by product of the multiple levels of pressure we put ourselves under, due to poor decision making and poor skill execution ...

saints and the lions, was almost a carbon copy of each other (though i do rate lions as a better side) .. lack of execution and lack of even contribution ...

dare i quote Frued, repetition compulsion: We feel driven to repeat mistakes from the past in the hopes that this time the situation will work out differently, but it rarely does. To break free, you must identify the pattern. The problem isnt the coach.

Dermot was offered the gig many years ago and knocked us back .

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I agree mostly with this
Our recruiting has been terrible
Internally the club as usual overrates many of the players
It’s time for Voss to kick a few heads in

Wow, that's pretty cool info. I had no idea. Do you know approx when?

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Back in the " Big Jack " days .

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Garry Lyon & the team at On the Couch have a great discussion on Carlton & Charlie Curnow: “They're in a situation now where we haven't put them in that contenders [bracket], that's something in of itself.

We've got the cheapest seat in footy, we just sit back & watch but we've arrived here from a Carlton point of view.

We've got one superstar forward & one superstar athlete, Geelong weaponised Jeremy Cameron they sent him up the field & sent him on his way, let him run & now if he's not the best player in the competition he's close enough to.

Because he's a forward, a midfielder, by his own admission he sneaks into a centre bounce & causes chaos & right now he's almost unstoppable. Carlton have got their Cameron & Hawkins in the wrong spots.

They've got Harry McKay playing the Jeremy Cameron role & they've got their uber athlete in Charlie Curnow playing the Tom Hawkins role.”

Nathan Buckley: “I can understand why that's taken place, because McKay is such an average shot at goal.”

Garry Lyon: “Let's deal with the positional nature of what they're doing here & what opportunity lies in front of them. If they can weaponise Charlie Curnow the way Geelong have with Jeremy Cameron, it starts to address some of their needs.

Their midfield is one paced & sluggish, he's an explosive beast that can add something. We're not saying he's going to be a midfielder, his ability to deliver the footy [by foot].”

Jonathan Brown: “The turnovers & unforced errors were [terrible].”

Garry Lyon: “It brings an element of unpredictability & excitement to a group that's become bland.”

Impact through ball use
#1 Jeremy Cameron
#2 CHARLIE CURNOW
#3 Nick Daicos

Garry Lyon: “I'll give you 100 guesses who is #2, it's Charlie Curnow, he's the #2 most effective kick across the field in the competition. His inside 50 kick is 18% above everyone else.

There you've got a weapon, you've got to get up & use him.”

Nathan Buckley: “Jeremy Cameron was always a great kick, but it wasn't until he was released to express himself I don't reckon we'd seen it [fully].

You can see with that impact rating (highlights of his kicks inside 50 playing on footage), he hits targets & he kicks it quickly as the best kicks do & he's got a bit of angle on it.”

Garry Lyon: “He's got depth, touch, unpredictability, he's got everything. I've listened to all the Carlton fans, he's got everything they're screaming out for. He's sitting there & he's deployed in the wrong role.”

Nathan Buckley: “What percentage of Charlie Curnow's tank is being optimised in his role at the moment? I reckon he's at 60 percent. He's waiting to be released.”

Jonathan Brown: “He can help their kicking, because it's been horrible.. Payne is a great athlete, he could've run with Curnow, where he'd struggled is when he'd been turned around. Harris Andrews, when he's been exposed playing on Harry McKay? Deeper.”

Garry Lyon: “Why wouldn't you take Harris Andrews back to the goal square, where he doesn't want to be & Charlie Curnow take Jackson Payne & [see if he can stay with him running around the ground]. It was frustrating watching that game.”

Jonathan Brown: “It was frustrating, hopefully they change it around. I've loved when I've seen McKay deep inside 50. He's such a big man, he's quick, he's hard to play against, defenders start to worry, they chop his arms.”

Well, you can't argue with this is a point.
But you can see why we haven't, Harry can't kick.
Maybe it's a two prong approach with Charlie roaming and another tall in the F50 with Harry, like McLovin, two damaging kicks into the F50 if required.
If that is the case then JSOS down back and probably bring back TDK as a relief ruck.

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Harry can kick. He just doesnt take kicking a good drop punt serious, like he did as a 20yo. He could seriously kick drop punt straight. Its what we said about him when he started.

A fit Gov in the forwardline is a weapon if we put the ball in a favourable position for him to mark.

Gotta mix it Up
Dont be sitting like a dead duck

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Re: On the Couch comments

I agree. I have always thought that Cahrlie could be a Kouta type. His athleticism and running capacity is elite. His kicking is elite

He is good enough to play Key Forward because of this but he is not that tall. He needs to be mobile. I'd like to see him work up and down the ground. With McKay & Curnow we seem to be focused on them and bomb it too them. Oppositions then get back and pick us off. Makes it easy

We need multiple options and use it properly.

I really hope Voss and Co are looking at this becuase we have only won 5 games out of our last 18