What part of our game plan and system and ball movement has improved since last year ?
I'll give you the answer ... SFA.
Zero.

I tend to disagree. Looks to me like the game plan and lack of run is causing bad skills. We didn't have these problems in the first half of last year

Everyone talsk about our forwards but we don't give them a chance

We have heaps of the ball (more than Brisbane) but wentb no where. Every week it seems to be the same problem and good sides pick us a part

Gone backwards

System is definitely part of it. I can't think of any team that wastes as many turnover / fast break opportunities because there is no one to kick to, so the ball carrier wheels about and dinks it backwards. It's an absolute crowd killer, you feel the frustration grow and then the players' heads drop and they inevitably @#$%&! up. Turn the ball over against a top side like Brisbane and it's instant death... that's how you worry the opposition out of their game. We need to be alive to such opportunities.

Carlton since Rd 10 2022: 8 wins, 11 losses and 1 draw
Wins against West Coast x2, GWS x2, North, Essendon*, Freo and Geelong on a premiership hangover
Do something about it Michael

We’re treading water, again. Voss is what happens when you have to settle.

Poor administration leads to poor decisions.

*sighhh*…!


kindest regards tommi

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I just hope Voss & Co are sitting down and going this isn't working. We are playing reactive football. What do we need to change to play a better style of football and get the best out of our players

Good coaches will do this

Correct FB….

all they need to do…is not what they do…!


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66 points from first 75 from turnovers. I reckon there's something in that saying "bad kicking is bad football".
We lost by 26.

I saw bad kicking from perceived pressure last night. Plenty of it. Its between their ears.
I think the game plan debate is separate from this, andis valid to question what we are doing week in week out to create options and move ball quicker.

Lions got to them. We got beaten by a better team last year and this year.

Maybe the problem is in part the game plan, maybe we are not a Top 4 team. We need more dynamic personnel in the forward line imo

We got within 19 points after falling away by 41 in the 3rd. You don't think Cameron and Bailey would have helped us more than Durdin and Motlop?
Honey is our 5th in line for HF, but playing due to injuries. I thought we fell away last year because of injuries.

Cripps blanketed....Game Plan? There's more to it than game plan imo. But Im not sure. The turnovers from shit kicks?

Glad we fought it out till the end. We couldnt do that just 2 years ago.

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Not every decision can be wrong. At some point you have to look at player attitude. The pattern is the same with every coach from Malthouse onwards. Our best comes in their first year then the attitude gradually just falls away until we are at the stage of going poorly enough to have the coach sacked. Until players want it badly enough nothing will happen. 85% percent of motivation comes from within. That has to come from our leaders.

Right now we have a good side with a poor attitude and culture. Hence poor results. This is the same side that went within a couple of late chokes of playing finals often with just "half a side" most weeks due to injuries. Have to ask why the drop off this year. Last year we were bulls and played exciting footy. This year none of that. Not sure the coach planned it that way.

That is a good way of looking at the game plan.

and the answer is SFA

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No system

I'll tell you one of the issues last night

Too many mids focussing on their opponent

Hewett doing a number on Neale I get but Cripps was also too conscious of Dunkley

Too negative and too conservative a strategy

Voss has got no idea

Ross goes to St.K and implements are clear, effective game plan immediately

But Ross knocked us back so there's no point crying over not getting him (I wanted Lyon at the time FWIW).

I think all these years of trauma have made us into a supporter base that overreacts a touch, to both wins & losses. Maybe we need to adopt the Brendan Bolton mantra of not getting too high or too low.

Question the methods, sure, but we're not sacking Voss. If anything I'd suggest he needs some tactical support.

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I just seen Voss's presser.
He knows what is going on, he addressed the issues in the Voss way.
He wasn't happy about last night.
I'm expecting some change next week from the players and possible player changes, not a lot though.
I feel he has a finger on the pulse with what is happening and what he expects from them across all aspects.
The game plan is a solid one IMO, we just need to execute it and have the right players in the right positions at the right times to execute it.
Last nights loss was on the players more than the coaches.
And we shouldn't look past the quality of the Lions players, they have a very talented team with great depth.

A replay of the St.Kilda game . It wasn't for the want of trying ...................... still think our best is ahead of us .

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Overreacting??
How long has it been since we've been a top side??
If anything we under react.

Demonstrates the importance of a quality coaching group

I still don’t believe our list is up to it

In fact, it goes beyond coaching and systems

It’s a cultural malaise that has infested this club. The ruthless Blues is a relic of the past.

Explain to me what the game plan is.

Slow ball movement, occasionally quick but generally slow characterised by kicking sideways and often taking too long to kick to F50

Essentially a predictable F50 route targeting 2 players . Lack of creativity entering F50

Typically no evident system moving the ball from defense. Over reliance on Saad. As seen last night when Brisbane blocked the corridor it forced Saad to kick to the boundary.

Voss admitted last night that against St.k we broke down up forward and last night we broke down in defense. So it seems our system is flawed at both ends of the ground.