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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2023 1:10 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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The point you make was proved against WCE. Kennedy was regretfully made a sub, but when he came on last week he smashed the WCE mids and BV mentioned Kennedy ended up with 2nd most clearances for the "game", or close to that. Cerra was outstanding in the middle with Cripps and Hewett.

The addition of Cottrell when fit will change the profile of the team, hopefully placing more weight on a quicker side overall, than stodgy, as we were vs Saints.


Cottrell has ability and brings things we need like run and pace. However, he certainly hasn't established himself as a best 22 yet

I'd really like to see Cottrell take a Prestia role for the team.
He has the endurance, speed, toughness and his kicking is getting better and better.
He could be that missing inside piece.


I like him playing the high HF/extra mid role. He is also a very good goal kicker


Ditto, but if we Hollands needs to be replaced on the wing due to fatigue, then I would rather have Cottrell play wing than LOB.


True but bring in Boyd and Docherty goes to the wing is my solution. Perfect player for a wing


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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2023 3:40 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:

True but bring in Boyd and Docherty goes to the wing is my solution. Perfect player for a wing


Firstly, I think Cincotta is making a case for a permanent spot in the backline, like Boyd did last year. He released Docherty to the midfield.

I have no doubt Cincotta and Boyd can play in the same team, in the backline.
Why not? Two hard running, line breaking defenders to add to Saad and Newman, with Weiters, Young and Gov making up the 7 defenders.

I don't think Docherty running up and down the wing all day is the most effective way to use Docherty.

Running up and down a wing for 15kms to make a fist of the role, at 30 years of age, is a big ask, especially when he hasn't done that much running playing the wing for a long time.
I doubt he will have enough oxygen in the lungs to be giving instruction and direction playing 4 quarters on a wing. A quarter here and there , sure.

His best spot for us is in the midfield, if we can afford that, and sure he can play wing but only if one of Cottrell and Hollands can't do it. Acres on the other wing.

I get your point though re releasing Docherty.

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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2023 4:10 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
True but bring in Boyd and Docherty goes to the wing is my solution. Perfect player for a wing

It's what Pendlebury does, so why not.
He had 93.3% kicking efficiency on the weekend......maybe he fills the gap on the wing for foot skills.


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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2023 4:21 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
True but bring in Boyd and Docherty goes to the wing is my solution. Perfect player for a wing

It's what Pendlebury does, so why not.
He had 93.3% kicking efficiency on the weekend......maybe he fills the gap on the wing for foot skills.


Hollands has been impressive but he is young and his foot skills have been poor. Mostly because he gets physically knocked around

I think Docherty is the prefect wingman. He can run, reads the play as well and will get back and help the defence and can kick it well inside 50. Also smart enough to get forward and kick a goal or two. he can spend minutes in the middle to relieve the others


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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2023 4:53 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
True but bring in Boyd and Docherty goes to the wing is my solution. Perfect player for a wing

It's what Pendlebury does, so why not.
He had 93.3% kicking efficiency on the weekend......maybe he fills the gap on the wing for foot skills.


Hollands has been impressive but he is young and his foot skills have been poor. Mostly because he gets physically knocked around

I think Docherty is the prefect wingman. He can run, reads the play as well and will get back and help the defence and can kick it well inside 50. Also smart enough to get forward and kick a goal or two. he can spend minutes in the middle to relieve the others


I bet Docherty does play wing at times for the reasons you just posted.
I dont think he will be on a wing all game, that's all.

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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2023 9:40 am 
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I’d look at Doc as a high HF. Not as much running, can use his experience to take his defender away from the play if necessary, deliver inside F50 and as we’ve seen he can actually kick straight from 50m

Or just leave him where he is


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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2023 11:54 am 
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I’d look at Doc as a high HF. Not as much running, can use his experience to take his defender away from the play if necessary, deliver inside F50 and as we’ve seen he can actually kick straight from 50m

Or just leave him where he is


Correct. Doc had a great year last year. And he's started well again.
I don't understand why posters want to move players who are in great form. The same as the suggestions to play Saad wing. FFS, he's probably no.1 half back in the competition so people want to @#$%&! around with his form. If you want to try people in different positions, look at the players that are struggling. Not the ones actually playing great footy where they are.

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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2023 1:16 pm 
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7 rounds into 2023, we continually miss targets and we are still bombing the ball into the F50............solutions?


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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2023 2:13 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
I’d look at Doc as a high HF. Not as much running, can use his experience to take his defender away from the play if necessary, deliver inside F50 and as we’ve seen he can actually kick straight from 50m

Or just leave him where he is


Correct. Doc had a great year last year. And he's started well again.
I don't understand why posters want to move players who are in great form. The same as the suggestions to play Saad wing. FFS, he's probably no.1 half back in the competition so people want to @#$%&! around with his form. If you want to try people in different positions, look at the players that are struggling. Not the ones actually playing great footy where they are.


Doc's already playing wing/midfield for part of games. With Cincotta Kemp Saad Newman and more he can move their permantly


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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2023 10:30 pm 
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I have no idea if we were out coached tonight, I didn’t even bother to watch.


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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2023 10:32 pm 
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I'm a bit concerned by our forward defence coaching.
Is it a deficit in coaching communication, or development?


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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2023 10:37 pm 
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DesEnglish wrote:
I have no idea if we were out coached tonight, I didn’t even bother to watch.

Our midfield makes us hard to coach.
Too slow, too easily pushed around and definitely out skilled tonight.


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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2023 10:38 pm 
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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2023 10:38 pm 
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Bad kicking is bad footy. I'm not convinced on him as a coach but basic kicks missing targets is a player issue

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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2023 9:09 am 
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Heavs wrote:
Bad kicking is bad footy. I'm not convinced on him as a coach but basic kicks missing targets is a player issue


I think it is all related

Skill execution errors could be a sign of poor recruiting, poor player development, poor coaching, lazy culture etc

Basically there are multiple reasons why we have been a poor club for so long


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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2023 9:50 am 
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poor execution is a coach killer ...

honestly, has be [REDACTED] as to why???


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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2023 10:42 am 
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The kicking was as consistently bad last night as I've seen. Scores from direct turnovers.

And that's execution, yes.

But there's also the question of system, if you know where the targets are going to be, then it takes one big challenge out of a footballer's head - thinking.

Our players seem to have no idea where a team mate is going to be, so that extra time taken to even find them means getting pressured or caught, or distraction from actually putting your foot through a piece of leather.

I'm loathed to jump on coaching normally but St kilda and Brisbane games have seen us spectacularly outcoached, and when execution is poor it's been a double banger.

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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2023 11:01 am 
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Brisbane are a better team this year than last year, when they beat us up in similar fashion.
The addition of Dunkley, Gunston and Ashcroft make them stronger. Hence I picked them to make GF in 2023.

We had an outside chance with Ricj and Zorko out injured. Wasn't to be.
They are a big bodied team like Cats, but quicker.

You just have to look at their 2 smalls, the seasoned Bailey and Cameron vs ours, the 20yo's, Durdin and Motlop.

Bad kicking is bad footy. 66 og Lions first 75 points from turnovers.

Voss isn't the problem.

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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2023 11:05 am 
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bluehammer wrote:

But there's also the question of system, if you know where the targets are going to be, then it takes one big challenge out of a footballer's head - thinking.

Our players seem to have no idea where a team mate is going to be, so that extra time taken to even find them means getting pressured or caught, or distraction from actually putting your foot through a piece of leather.



System is questionable, especially forward of centre. We didn't handle the pressure. Unforced skill errors. That's more concerning for me. Maybe that is part of system. Not knowing where to expect a team mate.

Catch 22.

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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2023 11:06 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Brisbane are a better team this year than last year, when they beat us up in similar fashion.
The addition of Dunkley, Gunston and Ashcroft make them stronger. Hence I picked them to make GF in 2023.

We had an outside chance with Ricj and Zorko out injured. Wasn't to be.
They are a big bodied team like Cats, but quicker.

You just have to look at their 2 smalls, the seasoned Bailey and Cameron vs ours, the 20yo's, Durdin and Motlop.

Bad kicking is bad footy. 66 og Lions first 75 points from turnovers.

Voss isn't the problem.


Yeah for half the game when he were incapable of moving the football when we had possession, that's got nothing to do with system and game plan lol


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