SurreyBlue wrote:
WOW wrote:
No doubt a losing mentality can permeate a club
We have had it for over 20 years
So easy for this pattern to continue for a very long time. The cycle broke for Melbourne and Richmond recently.
I think some Carlton players would have been better players at a club like Geelong. They are simply a better club than us.
Unfortunately have said this many a times over the past 20 years and people kept dismissing it continuously. It keeps proving me right, no matter how many new players are traded in or out. LOSERS CULTURE.
i for one never dismissed it though i think you overstate it at times. i posted several times about a book i pulled off my sisters business books shelf called Confidence. it was an examination of what made some US pro and college sport clubs so successful they’re referred to as “dynasties”, including ones that turned around what you call “loser” cultures to what presumably you would call “winners” cultures. (i hate those jeff kennett kind of terms. terms loved of bullies not people who know how to create good sporting club cultures i would suggest).
the author struggled to find any common threads in methodology or to adjudicate on whether it’s the head coach, the captain(s) and leaders group, the list, the club off the field, the sports psychologists, the tactics or whatever that was the golden ticket. but to turn around a long losing streak obviously requires a perfect storm of many of these things.
time will tell on Voss. first year in him replacing Teague seemed like a no brainer. i hate Roses Lyon and was hugely relieved we didn’t get him. i think he sucks the life out of players over the long run wi th his dower style but he gets results in the near term. he seems to have chilled out a bit with a break from coaching. though was snide about Carlton and definitely had no respect once he’d managed to get the win. didn’t even concede our “domination” in first half which is probably correct. they just absorbed our adrenaline and then as soon as we kicked some east behinds pounced and sapped out last mojo.
my mate was at the game as said Walsh was in red hot form and got crunched in a tackle in the third quater and disappeared after that. without Saad, Doc, Williams, Martin, etc etc, Walsh’s agressive running and link up style of play was probably filling the gap for four players. he’s incredible, two games back after a major back surgery. incredible.
i think we look worse than we are atm because of a boring game style and the absense of a few of our best playmakers. we need to teach others how to do those things. even if they have to use handballs becuase they can’t kick accurately to a lead up 30-50 m down the ground.
these are the “layers” and “dimensions” Voss is talking about. i just hope they materialise before the season is effectively over for us.